The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by lemon lime
I don't know how anyone can misunderstand what it means to eat something one day, and then die at some later date as a result of eating that something. A slow poison will not kill you the second after you ingest it, but apparently I'm supposed to wonder why it won't immediately kill me simply because it happens to be a [b]slow poison...[/b]

Just a thought, but there were two trees in the garden of Eden, one was the tree of knowledge and the other the tree of life. They were expelled from the garden of Eden in case they also ate from the tree of life "and became like us". So Adam and Eve were already mortal, eating from the tree of knowledge did not cause them to die.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Just a thought, but there were two trees in the garden of Eden, one was the tree of knowledge and the other the tree of life. They were expelled from the garden of Eden in case they also ate from the tree of life "and became like us". So Adam and Eve were already mortal, eating from the tree of knowledge did not cause them to die.

So Adam and Eve were already mortal, eating from the tree of knowledge did not cause them to die.

If they were already mortal, then how could death be a consequence of doing something?

"Becoming like us" seems to mean having knowledge of good and evil and having eternal life. Adam and Eve were created beings who could have safely existed (without dying) in their present state of existence. Their state of existence changed after eating the forbidden fruit, so I'm not sure where you are seeing an internal inconsistency in the story.

Being told they would die as a consequence of doing something they are warned not to do implies a present state of immortality.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Just a thought, but there were two trees in the garden of Eden, one was the tree of knowledge and the other the tree of life. They were expelled from the garden of Eden in case they also ate from the tree of life "and became like us". So Adam and Eve were already mortal, eating from the tree of knowledge did not cause them to die.

Not everything Satan told Eve was a lie.

Knowing good from evil causing Adam and Eve to become like God is something God Himself confirmed when He said "become like us". The big fat lie was when Satan told Eve they would surely not die. I can imagine someone confronting Satan about this and him saying, "But they didn't die... at least not right away."

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Scotland.

The Isle of Skye perhaps?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
According to the Bible, Adam lived for 930 years. It doesn't say how old he was when he ate the apple.

It doesn't say how old he was when he ate the apple.

He was old enough to know better.


where does it say the fruit was an apple?

Originally posted by lemon lime
where does it say the fruit was an apple?

Where does it say it wasn't?

Originally posted by lemon lime
Not everything Satan told Eve was a lie.

Knowing good from evil causing Adam and Eve to become like God is something God Himself confirmed when He said "become like us". The big fat lie was when Satan told Eve they would surely not die. I can imagine someone confronting Satan about this and him saying, "But they didn't die... at least not right away."

Doesn't living to the age of 930 qualify as not dying right away?

Originally posted by lemon lime
[b]So Adam and Eve were already mortal, eating from the tree of knowledge did not cause them to die.

If they were already mortal, then how could death be a consequence of doing something?

"Becoming like us" seems to mean having knowledge of good and evil and having eternal life. Adam and Eve were created beings who could have safely exist ...[text shortened]... [/i] of doing something they are warned not to do implies a present state of immortality.[/b]

I wasn't claiming an internal inconsistency in the story. I was simply pointing out that they were already mortal when they ate from the tree of knowledge. It's a while since I read the Genesis stories so you may be right in that the fruit of the tree of life acts as an antidote to the fruit of the tree of knowledge, but I never got that from the Bible. In my understanding their mortality was inherent rather than acquired.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Doesn't living to the age of 930 qualify as not dying right away?

How does dying at the age of 930 qualify as not dying?

Originally posted by DeepThought
I wasn't claiming an internal inconsistency in the story. I was simply pointing out that they were already mortal when they ate from the tree of knowledge. It's a while since I read the Genesis stories so you may be right in that the fruit of the tree of life acts as an antidote to the fruit of the tree of knowledge, but I never got that from the Bible. In my understanding their mortality was inherent rather than acquired.

It's a while since I read the Genesis stories...

It's been a while for me too, that's why I got up and walked the three steps it took for me to get to the bookshelf and dust off my Bible... but my journey wasn't over yet, I had to walk another 3 steps to get back here.


Edit: I keep forgetting I can look for Bible passages online... I could have found that information without getting up and going for a walk.

Originally posted by lemon lime
How does dying at the age of 930 qualify as not dying?

Take a closer look at the question. Notice the phrase "right away," as in "at least not right away"
referenced in your post. Stop trying to be cute. Think a minute before you bang out a quick answer.

Originally posted by lemon lime
The Isle of Skye perhaps?

You claimed that the Bible gives a general description of the location of Eden. Is this really your best answer?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
You claimed that the Bible gives a general description of the location of Eden. Is this really your best answer?

I think that possibly it's a jovial response to the post RobbieCarrobie made. Skye is a beautiful place so it's not unreasonable either.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
You claimed that the Bible gives a general description of the location of Eden. Is this really your best answer?

A few times now I've dropped the hint that this information is available to anyone online.

Originally posted by lemon lime
A few times now I've dropped the hint that this information is available to anyone online.

In other words, you don't know.