The god who burns people alive for eternity

@fmf said
The degree of traction that "It is because it is"-type moral 'arguments' have when people assert them to other people who already agree with them ~ within whatever communal feedback loop their religious beliefs trap them in ~ is neither here nor there when you are talking to people outside your religion.

Fortunately, I am talking to a self-described Christian and your statement is irrelevant.

@philokalia said
I have stated before that I do not know what the criteria is for going to hell, so I am not sure about the numbers with that at all.

Presumably, you believe that most human beings will be burned in hell for all of eternity ~ and that only "few" will be saved ~ in light of Matthew 22.

@philokalia said
Fortunately, I am talking to a self-described Christian and your statement is irrelevant.

So your pretentions about your farfetched and morally incoherent assertions ~ about torture being "objective" ~ are dismantled, then.

@fmf said
Presumably, you believe that most human beings will be burned in hell for all of eternity ~ and that only "few" will be saved ~ in light of Matthew 22.

I believe that Matthew 22:14 applies to the people who consciously reject Christ.

Luke 12 has a good illustration of what happens with those who are ignorant of the situation.

I have hope for the salvation of many, but I am ultimately not to judge, due to Matthew 7:1.

I can say this: there is a school of thought that 1/3 of the Angels fell to hell, and that the angels were as "numerous as the stars" (which is a gigantic number), and that humans are supposed to become the replacements for the angels that fell. This is a very, very great number, of course.

This interpertation is found in the Catholic tradition. I do not know if this speculation is true, but I do have hope that there will be many billions of people in Heaven.

A saint who I cannot name off of the top of my head has said that we will also be very surprised with who we will see in heaven, and also who we will not see. I also think of this. So, we can be sure that this statement is true as it is from a Saint.

However, I am unsure about anything exact as it pertains to these things and would need to study more.

@fmf said
So your pretentions about your farfetched and morally incoherent assertions ~ about torture being "objective" ~ are dismantled, then.

Why would I say that a part of the revealed truth is objectively true, in the sense that it is publicly verifiable evidence?

I did not say that. ^^

@philokalia said
Why would I say that a part of the revealed truth is objectively true, in the sense that it is publicly verifiable evidence?

I did not say that. ^^

I'm just trying to salvage something from all your waffle. So you basically agree with what I was saying about subjectivity on the Truth- Absolute or Relative? thread to KellyJay?

@fmf said
I'm just trying to salvage something from all your waffle. So you basically agree with what I was saying about subjectivity on the Truth- Absolute or Relative? thread to KellyJay?

What is the statement you are asking me to agree or disagree with. ^^

-Removed-

I am certain it exists.

I do not know if Christ will be there overseeing it. I'm aware of the passage in Revelations about it. But, to what degree it means, I am unsure. ^^

We send ourselves to hell through our actions and choices, and God saves us from hell as well even though our sins are enough to merit hell. That is merciful.

@philokalia said
What is the statement you are asking me to agree or disagree with. ^^

The stuff on that thread. You were a contributor. Don't worry about it.

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What's the right interpretation, then.

@philokalia said
We send ourselves to hell through our actions and choices

This contortion comes across like self-parody. Sounds like you want to strut the hardnose torturer god ideology on one hand, but, on the other, you also want to hedge and be wishy-washy about it.