The Good Father

@philokalia said
Passivity indicates...

[quote] that, confronted with the evils in the world, we can only say that for no reason, and therefore outrageously, the world as we find it does not perfectly love God, the Good, the sole end of all love. And since the Good is the principle of intelligibility and hence of being, to the extent that anything fails to partake of that principle it i ...[text shortened]... uote]

which constitutes evil through the passive rejection of God as it is a deficiency in being.

So you say. I get it. You label my agnostic atheism "passivity" and assert that it's "evil". Like this: YOUR DISBELIEF IS PASSIVITY, PASSIVITY IS EVIL, EVIL WARRANTS PUNISHMENT AND ST DIONYSIUS AGREES WITH ME. What would then be the moral purpose - and justification - of torturing me in burning flames forever?

@philokalia said
Evil comes from not necessarily action, but even just from being in a way that is deficient of the good, and deficient from the yearning for God.

I am not "deficient of the good".

@philokalia said
You are conflating whether thought has a moral quality with thoughtcrime, which generally is used in a political context.

I am the term "thoughtcrime" here to refer to things like being "deficient from the yearning for God", which - of course - means "the yearning for" the God figure you just so happen to believe in, and which is, or so you say, "evil".

So.. NOT YEARNING FOR PHILOKALIA'S GOD FIGURE IS EVIL BECAUSE IT IS PASSIVITY AND PASSIVITY [I.E. NOT YEARNING FOR PHILOKALIA'S GOD FIGURE] IS ENOUGH TO WARRANT TORTURE, FOREVER.

@philokalia said
Right, this would lead us back to this classic thread:

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/st-dionysius-and-evil.181203#post_4043623

I recall this as being a thread you started when you bailed out of another thread about morality where you had started to resort to dj2beckering and getting your ears boxed.

@fmf said
If they act upon those thoughts and abuse children, then you have moral acts upon your hands. As I said, for me, morality governs action and human interaction. I don't subscribe to concepts of thoughtcrimes and even things like tougher punishments for hate crimes. Someone who "regularly has fantasies about abusing children in a perverted manner" would undoubtedly be creep, but I ...[text shortened]... t think "thoughts" can be "immoral". Morality governs behaviour and how we interact with each other.

So your very perverted fantasies about children are powerful enough to make yuo a creep, but these fantasies themselves cannot be characterized as immoral.

Why is that ?

Do you not control your own mind?

Don't you see the contradiction in it being capable of making someone a creep... but the thoughts themselves not being immoral?

I guess even if you could see it now, it would require a sacrifice of your pride to go back and make a distinction.

@fmf said
So you say. I get it. You label my agnostic atheism "passivity" and assert that it's "evil". Like this: YOUR DISBELIEF IS PASSIVITY, PASSIVITY IS EVIL, EVIL WARRANTS PUNISHMENT AND ST DIONYSIUS AGREES WITH ME. What would then be the moral purpose - and justification - of torturing me in burning flames forever?

I don't understand why you would ask that question .

The soul is eternal; Heaven is eternal; hell is also eternal.

What issue is there with that which is evil going to hell, eternally?

Does not an evil thing belong in an evil abode?

Where's the conflict? Where's the harm?

@fmf said
I am not "deficient of the good".

I never doubted it.

@fmf said
I recall this as being a thread you started when you bailed out of another thread about morality where you had started to resort to dj2beckering and getting your ears boxed.

I dare say you suffer from re-imagining the past overly romantically.

I wonder what you'll dream up about this one.

@philokalia said
I don't understand why you would ask that question .

The soul is eternal; Heaven is eternal; hell is also eternal.

What issue is there with that which is evil going to hell, eternally?

Does not an evil thing belong in an evil abode?

Where's the conflict? Where's the harm?

The posing of these questions does not answer any of my questions.

@philokalia said
So your very perverted fantasies about children are powerful enough to make yuo a creep, but these fantasies themselves cannot be characterized as immoral.

Why is that ?

Because of the reason I stated, twice.

@philokalia said
Don't you see the contradiction in it being capable of making someone a creep... but the thoughts themselves not being immoral?

There is no contradiction. I think you are a bit of a creep, to be perfectly frank, but it doesn't mean I think you and your thoughts are immoral or that immoral thoughts cause you to be a creep.

@philokalia said
I wonder what you'll dream up about this one.

I won't "dream up" anything. I will remember this as being a thread where, once again, you acquitted yourself in quite a discursively feeble and frequently evasive way.

@philokalia said
Do you not control your own mind?

I don't think people have too much control over the thoughts that come into their minds. They do, however, have control over - and are responsible for - what they do as a result of what is in their minds. That is why morality governs action and interaction, to my way of thinking, and not mere thoughts.

@fmf said
I don't think people have too much control over the thoughts that come into their minds. They do, however, have control over - and are responsible for - what they do as a result of what is in their minds. That is why morality governs action and interaction, to my way of thinking, and not mere thoughts.

Is holding this belief "enough" for it to be justified for me to be kept alive supernaturally after I die and subjected to everlasting agony in burning flames?

@philokalia said
Is it wrong that a person who has chosen to flagrantly laugh in the face of consequences should face those consequences..? No, we can all accept the idea that receiving one's comeuppance can be a very good thing, yes?

What is wrong with people who are worthy of hell being sent to hell?

Are you really arguing that nobody could merit hell ?

Why are you using the words “laugh” and “flagrantly” out of context?

Would you say that “comeuppance” was an incongruous description of being burnt alive for trillions of years and then after that forever…for not being a Christian?

What makes you not worthy of hell?

Are you going to ask another four questions in your next post in this continuing effort to evade discussion?