The Good Father

@fmf said
divegeester doesn't subscribe to the torturer God ideology and I believe that death is the end. Why are you so scornful towards people DON'T subscribe to the ideology being dissected and yet you never, ever have enough discursive courage to push back at the people who actually believe in and promote the eternal torture theology?

I am sorry if you thought I was being scornful.

It is just that hell is clearly referenced in the Bible, as clearly as Heaven is, and radical departures from traditional interpretations of the text require a lot of mental gymnastics.

I'm always curious to hear them.

@fmf said
Is holding this belief "enough" for it to be justified for me to be kept alive supernaturally after I die and subjected to everlasting agony in burning flames?

Judging by Luke 12, it is not enough. But I do not know.

Nobody can know but God.

It is a very ungratifying answer, but really, it is not spelled out clearly who is going to go to hell or not in the Bible.

All that we can say, as Christians, is that we know the paths that absolutely lead to Heaven. And, even then, there are still discrepancies.

@fmf said
The posing of these questions does not answer any of my questions.

They're rhetorical questions from which a lot can be concluded so I would contend that they do...

As do all of the long posts I have written.

I've brought up the theology of hell, the reasons for people going to hell, and even how indifference and apathy towards God constitutes evil in its own regard.

Lots has been said.

I feel like a lot of it has been ignored or just handwaved away, and that's fine, I guess, we all have finite time...

And with that, I will likely not be that active in responding to objections here as I was before because it is nearly the weekend and I feel enough ground has been covered that anyone who is true & honestly reading the thread can see that I have put in the effort at engagement.

@philokalia said
They're rhetorical questions from which a lot can be concluded so I would contend that they do...

They just seemed to be assertions about dogma reframed as clumsy little negative sentences with question marks at the end.

@philokalia said
I've brought up the theology of hell, the reasons for people going to hell, and even how indifference and apathy towards God constitutes evil in its own regard.

You have asserted things but you haven't offered any moral justification. What is the moral justification for an infinite punishment for a finite "crime"?

And with the "crime" being merely not sharing the same religious beliefs as you hold.

@fmf said
You have asserted things but you haven't offered any moral justification. What is the moral justification for an infinite punishment for a finite "crime"?

And with the "crime" being merely not sharing the same religious beliefs as you hold.

You can go back to the post that deals with St. Dionysius' take on evil. ^^

@philokalia said
And with that, I will likely not be that active in responding to objections here as I was before because it is nearly the weekend and I feel enough ground has been covered that anyone who is true & honestly reading the thread can see that I have put in the effort at engagement.

I wonder if the same kind of evasive circular-logic style waffle that you've been serving up here was the kind of stuff that resulted in you converting to the Orthodox Catholic Church.

@philokalia said
You can go back to the post that deals with St. Dionysius' take on evil. ^^

I get that you agree with his doctrine but agreeing with his doctrine, which is just a set of assertions, is not a moral argument, so you citing him achieves nothing. So we have... DIONYSIUS SAYS DISBELIEF IS EVIL AND I AGREE WITH HIM.