the insanity of faith

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I think you are confusing infatuation with love. Love is not just an emotion but a commitment of the heart.

Love is an emotion. To make any form of commitment based on it is a standalone decision that one might or might not choose to make.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
The point is, kindness is not love. I can be kind to enemies and friends, but can only love friends.

1 Corinthians 13English Standard Version (ESV)
The Way of Love
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.


I'm not talking about putting flowers inside of gun barrels while they are pointing them at
me. I'm talking about not hating, holding grudges, going good at all times, and so on. Life
is a struggle, and we can either take this path, or deal in more of the same.

Originally posted by @fmf
Love is an emotion. To make any form of commitment based on it is a standalone decision that one might or might not choose to make.

Infatuation is an emotion, eventually it fades away. You then choose to love someone regardless of their flaws. This love is a commitment. Many couples divorce because they are not willing to make that commitment.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Infatuation is an emotion, eventually it fades away. You then choose to love someone regardless of their flaws. This love is a commitment. Many couples divorce because they are not willing to make that commitment.

Infatuation is an emotion. Love is an emotion. They are separate things from a decision to make a commitment to someone. Or a decision to divorce someone. Or a decision to marry someone. These decisions may well be rooted in love, but they are not, in and of themselves, part of the definition of love. Love is an emotion. One cannot choose to love someone for whom one does not feel love. One can choose to commit oneself and marry someone for whom one does not feel love. But one cannot choose to love them if that emotion and mental state is absent.

Originally posted by @fmf
Infatuation is an emotion. Love is an emotion. They are separate things from a decision to make a commitment to someone. Or a decision to divorce someone. Or a decision to marry someone. These decisions may well be rooted in love, but they are not, in and of themselves, part of the definition of love. Love is an emotion. One cannot choose to love someone for wh ...[text shortened]... es not feel love. But one cannot choose to love them if that emotion and mental state is absent.

I believe true love is more than just an emotion. Love is a choice more than it is a feeling.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/07/20/love-is-a-choice-more-than-a-feeling/

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I believe true love is more than just an emotion. Love is a choice more than it is a feeling.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/07/20/love-is-a-choice-more-than-a-feeling/

We can agree to disagree then. The link you posted talks about decisions related to making and managing a commitment to someone you love. This - and other decisions - may well create conditions which are conducive to enduring feelings of love or help to avoid situations that could undermine feelings of love, but such decisions, and such commitments, cannot create or sustain feelings of love when that emotion and those feelings are absent or have faded and disappeared.

Originally posted by @fmf
We can agree to disagree then. The link you posted talks about decisions related to making and managing a commitment to someone you love. This - and other decisions - may well create conditions which are conducive to enduring feelings of love or help to avoid situations that could undermine feelings of love, but such decisions, and such commitments, cannot crea ...[text shortened]... feelings of love when that emotion and those feelings are absent or have faded and disappeared.

You must have missed the heading of the article.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You must have missed the heading of the article.

Well, more importantly, I read the entire content of the article. Was it only the heading of the article that supported your view?

Originally posted by @fmf
Well, more importantly, I read the entire content of the article. Was it only the heading of the article that supported your view?

The content generally supports the heading of the article. Do you agree with the content of the article or not?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The content generally supports the heading of the article. Do you agree with the content of the article or not?

I have already told you what I think of the content of the article. Why are you asking me again?

Originally posted by @fmf
I have already told you what I think of the content of the article. Why are you asking me again?

Maybe next time try to read what I ask you. What you thought about the contents of the article gave no indication as to whether you agree with the contents or not. Hence my follow up question.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Maybe next time try to read what I ask you. What you thought about the contents of the article gave no indication as to whether you agree with the contents or not. Hence my follow up question.

I have told you what my take is on the article. Didn't you read what I said? Why are you asking me the same question over and over again?

Originally posted by @fmf
I have told you what my take is on the article. Didn't you read what I said? Why are you asking me the same question over and over again?

You explained what you thought the article was about you didn't say whether you agree or disagree with it. If you don't want to answer the question just say so.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You explained what you thought the article was about you didn't say whether you agree or disagree with it. If you don't want to answer the question just say so.

You perhaps only read the heading of the article and thought it would suffice as 'corroboration'. Now you have [presumably] read the actual content, and now you have [presumably] read and understood my response, you know that I perceive the content of the article as somewhat of a red herring.

The content of the article ~ along with its misleading title - which appears to have sucked you in ~ does not alter or challenge my stated views on love, decisions, and choice. You introduced the article [or its heading, at least] as a kind of rebuttal, right?

Well, it's about something different from what I have been talking about. So, in so far as you thought the article provided rebuttal, I don't think it does.

I think you are conflating ~ whether it be deliberately or just haplessly ~ the notion of deciding/choosing to have feelings of "love" with decisions made regarding, and as a consquence of, feelings of "love"

Originally posted by @kellyjay
They were told something that they should not have was good to over the objections of God, they knew better. They were told God's Word about punishment could be ignored, and bought into that lie. They desired something forbidden and took it over all they knew that God had told them. So going against what they knew they took and ate the fruit.

You are su ...[text shortened]... of any personage do you believe needed to be grounded so the mind could/would not choose badly?

Edit: What part of any personage do you believe needed to be grounded so the mind could/would not choose badly?


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