Originally posted by @secondsonHanging out in bars with guys hitting on you generally means casual sex.
If I'm not mistaken, I think you're the first to bring up the idea of "casual sex" in this thread. What you be thinkin' bout?!
That is if it is a typical thing she does.
05 Jun 18
In my search of the Old Testament for insight into the identity of Jesus, I came across Zechariah 12:10-11.
"Then I will pour out the spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on ME whom they have 'pierced' and mourn for HIM as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for HIM as for a firstborn son who has died. 11. The sorrow and mourning in Jerusalem on that day will be like the great mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the valley of Megiddo.
What interests me here is that God is speaking, and uses the words ME and HIM when only one person is pierced.
Just wanted to share that.
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Originally posted by @chaney3Thank you for posting that.
In my search of the Old Testament for insight into the identity of Jesus, I came across Zechariah 12:10-11.
"Then I will pour out the spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on ME whom they have 'pierced' and mourn for HIM as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for HIM as for a firstborn son ...[text shortened]... ng, and uses the words ME and HIM when only one person is pierced.
Just wanted to share that.
Originally posted by @chaney3Try not to make too much out of things like this.
In my search of the Old Testament for insight into the identity of Jesus, I came across Zechariah 12:10-11.
"Then I will pour out the spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on ME whom they have 'pierced' and mourn for HIM as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for HIM as for a firstborn son ...[text shortened]... ng, and uses the words ME and HIM when only one person is pierced.
Just wanted to share that.
If you do your homework, you'll find that more than a few of the translations of the OT in Christian bibles are suspect and there are often issues with verses being taken out of context.
In general, take in Judaism's perspective on OT passages as well as the Christian before drawing any conclusions.
Following is the translation for the same verses from the JPS (Jewish Publication Society):
But I will fill the House of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem with a spirit of pity and compassion; and they shall lament to Me about those who are slain, wailing over them as over a favorite son and showing bitter grief as over a first-born. In that day, the wailing in Jerusalem shall be as great as the wailing at Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddon.
https://www.sefaria.org/Zechariah.12.10?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en
Reads very differently, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneMaybe it’s all metaphors, right ToO?
Try not to make too much out of things like this.
If you do your homework, you'll find that more than a few of the translations of the OT in Christian bibles are suspect and there are often issues with verses being taken out of context.
In general, take in Judaism's perspective on OT passages as well as the Christian before drawing any conclusions. ...[text shortened]... www.sefaria.org/Zechariah.12.10?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en
Reads very differently, doesn't it?
LOL
05 Jun 18
Originally posted by @romans1009It's as if you can't help yourself.
Maybe it’s all metaphors, right ToO?
LOL
05 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3The issue remains .. why did Jesus not make it abundantly clear that he was God if it was a critical doctrine.
In my search of the Old Testament for insight into the identity of Jesus, I came across Zechariah 12:10-11.
"Then I will pour out the spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on ME whom they have 'pierced' and mourn for HIM as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for HIM as for a firstborn son ...[text shortened]... ng, and uses the words ME and HIM when only one person is pierced.
Just wanted to share that.
The answer is that nobody would be judged on this matter.
Originally posted by @rajk999What's more, in the following passage Jesus gets accused of making himself "out to be God" and offers them correction: That He had only said, "I am the Son of God"
The issue remains .. why did Jesus not make it abundantly clear that he was God if it was a critical doctrine.
The answer is that nobody would be judged on this matter.
John 10
31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”34Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35“If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
So he not only doesn't make it "abundantly clear", He spoke against the idea.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneHebrews 2:9
What's more, in the following passage Jesus gets accused of making himself "out to be God" and offers them correction: That He had only said, "I am the Son of God"
John 10
31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him ...[text shortened]... he Son of God’?
So he not only doesn't make it "abundantly clear", He spoke against the idea.
Jesus did not have the same status while He was on earth in human form as He did before then.
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneGod the Father refers to Jesus Christ as “God” in the first chapter of Hebrews:
What's more, in the following passage Jesus gets accused of making himself "out to be God" and offers them correction: That He had only said, "I am the Son of God"
John 10
31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33The Jews answered Him ...[text shortened]... he Son of God’?
So he not only doesn't make it "abundantly clear", He spoke against the idea.
“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
(Hebrews 1)
