The Kingdom of God-men

In the kingdom of God-men the inward divine life which is Christ Himself is ALSO the expected glory to be manifested, shining out.

You didn't know that reader?

Look here:

"To whom God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." (COl. 1:27)

Notice it is "Christ in YOU" Who is the hope of glory. (If you have received Jesus as Lord within your heart).

Is Christ in heaven above? Yes.
Will He come from heaven in splendor and in glory? Yes He will.

But in the constituents of the kingdom of God it is CHRIST IN THEM that is the hope of glory. It is Christ in them as their divine life which is to be manifested, bursting forth from within them - "the hope of glory" .

"When Christ our life is manifested, then you also will be manifested with HIm in glory." (Col. 3:4)

Receive Jesus Christ TO BE YOUR VERY LIFE and receive the indwelling hope of glory.
He can regenerate the human spirit, transform the human soul and transfigure the human body. Christ in His people to manifest the indwelling glory for His kingdom.

What an eternal purpose to live for!

@sonship said
In the kingdom of God-men the inward divine life which is Christ Himself is ALSO the expected glory to be manifested, shining out.

You didn't know that reader?

Look here:

"To whom God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." (COl. 1:27)

Notice it is [b]" ...[text shortened]... people to manifest the indwelling glory for His kingdom.

What an eternal purpose to live for!

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

There is God and there are men.

Before God created the physical universe He had a desire to have creatures who would be His offspring, His sons with His life and nature.

This passage shows this plan in God's heart even before creation.

"Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blemish before Him in love, predestinating us unto sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." (Eph. 1:4,5)

1.) God the Creator of all things had a "good pleasure" and a "will" to have something.

2.) Based upon this He must have created all things. That is He laid "the foundation of the world".

3.) His plan from before the laying of "the foundation of the world", ie. creating the universe, was to have sons sharing His Fatherhood. He alone is holy from eternity.

"Who will not fear and, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy . . . " (Rev. 15:4)

God is distinct from all things. God the source of all things and all being has a nature the Bible says is holy. He ALONE . . . is holy.

Yet He planned to dispense this holy nature into sons and marked out their destiny to partake of this holy nature.

Predestinating us unto sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." .

4.) The strong implication of Ephesians 1:4,5 is that God created the universe FOR this purpose. God laid the foundation of the world with this "good pleasure" in His heart as a eternal purpose.

We need to be born again not simply because we are sinners in need of forgiveness. We need to be born of God to fulfill the meaning of our creation and of the meaning of the world God created.

What a great reason to ask the Lord Jesus to come into your heart that you may be born again.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

There is God and there are men.

"There is God." This is a good statement. It shows some progress.

It is good to hear one who was professing to atheism now admit that there is God.
This is very good.

Ghost objects that I am conflating God and men when I speak of God-men.

However, Jesus before me spoke of man being in God and God being in man in His salvation. That is a blending, co-inheriting of the divine and the saved human.

Here we see a mutual inter mingling of the Triune God and the saved human beings through Christ. He is speaking of His resurrection following His death for redemption. He goes away for a little while in death and comes again to unite with His saved people.

"Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live.

In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me and I in you." (John 14:19,20)


Where is Jesus?
He is in resurrection and is in His Father.

Where are those whom He has saved?
They are put into Him. They are in Him.

Where is He?
He is not only in His Father but He is now IN THEM.

If He is in them then the Father who is in Him is also in them.
This is a mingling of God and man.

This is the Triune God imparting Christ and His Father BY the Holy Spirit into man making them the sons of God God longed for before the foundation of the universe.

For this will of God God created all things.

"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, for You have created all things, and because of Your will they were, and were created." (Rev. 4:11)

@sonship said
Ghost objects that I am conflating God and men when I speak of God-men.

However, Jesus before me spoke of man being in God and God being in man in His salvation. That is a blending, co-inheriting of the divine and the saved human.

Here we see a mutual inter mingling of the Triune God and the saved human beings through Christ. He is speaking of His resurrection fo ...[text shortened]... You have created all things, and because of Your will they were, and were created." (Rev. 4:11) [/b]

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

All your blending and mingling has muddled your understanding of Christianity and taken you away from scripture, losing the true Christian message of love and humility.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
All your blending and mingling has muddled your understanding of Christianity and taken you away from scripture, losing the true Christian message of love and humility.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I believe that you know there is God.
I believe that you say there is no God but actually somewhere in that heart of yours you know what you do not like IS - God.

I would expect you to argue. But only a fool says in his heart of hearts there is no God. And I don't think you are that fool.

"The fool says in his heart, There is no God." (Psalm 14:1)

Then again it is possible that you really believe what the fool thinks - there is no God. Time will tell. No lie can live forever.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I believe that you know there is God.
I believe that you say there is no God but actually somewhere in that heart of yours you know what you do not like IS - God.

I would expect you to argue. But only a fool says in his heart of hearts there is no God. And I don't think you are that fool.

[b]"The fool says in his heart, There is no God." (Psa ...[text shortened]... you really believe what the fool thinks - there is no God. Time will tell. No lie can live forever.

Paul pioneered in this union with Christ.
We treasure that we have his writings from that very mature period of his life when he had been SO filled up with Jesus. This took many years. But when we are introduced to Paul we are introduced to a exceedingly mature disciple of Jesus.

This man wrote:

"He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit." (1 Cor. 6:17)

One spirit? God the Spirit and the regenerated human spirit become ONE united, blended, mingled spirit.

This is why it is so hard to dissuade a believer that Jesus is not alive or that there is no God. One part of his inner being IS the Lord Jesus. He is united with Jesus and he knows. And he knows that he knows.

The word of God informs and confirms - "He who is JOINED . . . to the Lord [Jesus Christ] is one spirit." (1 Cor. 6:17)

The capital S Spirit of God and the small s spirit of the man born again have become "one spirit". We are on our way to becoming God-men.

But if the term God-men is too much for some to take, then let them take the phrase "sons of God".

"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." (Gal. 3:26,27)

Man can PUT ON CHRIST.
Man can be immersed into, plunged into Christ and put Him on.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I believe you know there is a pink jelly monster.
I believe that you say there is no pink jelly monster but actually, somewhere in that heart of yours you know what you do not like IS pink jelly monsters.

How subjective to a person is the life of that person ?
The very life of a person is really close to the person.
He and his life are very close - inseparable actually.

The New Testament emphatically says that the forgiven, redeemed man can receive God in Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit to be his very life.

In fact the last Adam, Christ, became a life imparting Spirit to compound Himself into man's created life. That is being forgiven of his sins now he can enjoy the closest union with God in Christ who become his second life after his created life that he was born naturally with.

"[T]he last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)

But where was the fallen sinner before this? He was "alienated from the life of God". He was separate and estranged not only from knowing God but from the life of God.

"Being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance which is in them, because of the hardness of their heart." (Eph. 4:18)

This probably describes two here - Ghost of a Duke and Rajk999. Because of the hardness of their hearts against the word of God and the ignorance of His saving love they are estranged - alienated from the life of God.

The counterfeit disciple of Jesus and the atheist find comradery with one another in opposing the New Testament. Both are alienated from the life of God.
Even they may display pride in this.

But Christ becomes unspeakably subjective to the saved man or woman. He comes in and grows. If we allow Him to grow we come closer and closer to the Apostle Paul's blessed state that he realized - it was no longer he alone that lived but it was Christ who lived in him.

What a pioneer we Christians have in this God-man the Apostle Paul.

"I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me." (Gal. 2:20)

Paul understood that Christ dying on the cross was Christ cancelling out his old godless, independent, religiou,s alienated from God's life existence. He was crucified WITH Christ.

And now he lives with Christ. Rather Christ is his life. Christ lives in him. Even the faith that Paul has is due to Christ - "the faith of the Son of God". How subjective is the objective risen Son of God. The objective resurrected Son of God has become also the subjective One dispensed into Paul -

" . . . it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me."

Today the Lord's recovery is to recover this experience among God's people. What a battle is being fought over this recovery of God living in man as the normal Christian life and the normal prevailing church life.