10 Feb 18
Originally posted by @sonship[b] And He lifted up His eyes to His disciples and said, Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
Too "left wing" for you Elader ?
Is the epistle of James too liberal for your taste ?
"Listen, my beloved brothers: Did not God choose the poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the ki ...[text shortened]... e called? " (James 2:5-7)
is this too liberal sounding for your congregation ??[/b]Not liberal at all if you are simply talking about the Bible.
Now answer my question mister liberal about Jesus proclaiming he will not forgive most people.
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Originally posted by @eladarNot liberal at all if you are simply talking about the Bible.
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What else would I be talking about?
I think you steer far clear from passages that don't stroke your mean spirited fur the right direction.
Now answer my question mister liberal about Jesus proclaiming he will not forgive most people.
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I usually don't proclaim the Gospel message by announcing - "Hey everybody, Jesus will not forgive most people."
That's a kind of backwards presentation of the Good News. It serves little purpose to do that except if one is SO resentful of many people, it soothes his agitation at them to taunt people.
How about he who comes to Christ He will in no wise cast out? How about tell them that and let the Holy Spirit do His work on men's hearts.
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out." (John 6:37)
Especially in John the greater weight of invitation passages are more with this spirit. In John 10 no one is able to pluck them out of the Son's hand of power and the Father's hand of love.
"And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand.
I and the Father are one." (John 10:28-30)
You cannot find the word "repent" or "repentance" anywhere in the Gospel of John. You find "believe, believe, believe" in abundance.
Hold on! I'm not finished yet.
Now in Matthew you have more of the narrow way, the constricted way, the way of kingdom living. In Matthew you have more of discipline, correction, adjustment for the living of the highest level of morality as a follower of Christ in the kingdom of the heavens.
But most of these warning verses are not about not being forgiven. They are about being subject to discipline. God can discipline His people even though He forgives them.
You have the same Lord Jesus and His kingdom yet spoken from from different angels with somewhat different emphases.
Matthew 12:31 -
King James Version
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Darby Bible Translation
For this reason I say unto you, Every sin and injurious speaking shall be forgiven to men, but speaking injuriously of the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.
Does that passage say that "all manner of sin" can be forgiven ?
It excludes one sin. But it says "all manner of sin" can be forgiven. Because "all manner of sin" can be forgiven does not mean that God's hands are tied and He cannot discipline His people, either in this age or in the coming age of the millennium.
He forgave a big sinner like you, didn't He?
How about we tell people that He forgave us and all manner of forgiveness awaits them too?
At the same time, we learn and pass on that the standard for living in the kingdom of the heavens is high - very high. And God can forgive us yet chastise and discipline us as the need arises. He can do this forgiveness with discipline both in the church age and in the millennial kingdom of 1,000 years to come.
Most of the verses you have in mind are probably not about not forgiving, but about discipline in spite of forgiveness.
10 Feb 18
Originally posted by @sonshipThe only difference between you and suzi is style.
[b]Not liberal at all if you are simply talking about the Bible.
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What else would I be talking about?
I think you steer far clear from passages that don't stroke your mean spirited fur the right direction.
Now answer my question mister liberal about Jesus pro ...[text shortened]... have in mind are probably not about not forgiving, but about discipline in spite of forgiveness.
Suzi refuses to answer questions by being herself aka being a not nice person and berating based on strawmen.
You don't answer the question by posting long nonsensical posts.
Neither of you are honest.
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10 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladar
The only difference between you and suzi is style.
Suzi refuses to answer questions by being herself aka being a not nice person and berating based on strawmen.
You don't answer the question by posting long nonsensical posts.
Neither of you are honest.
Neither of you are honest.
Don't you understand?
All manner of sins will be forgiven men.
You asked about Jesus not forgiving some people.
I answered, I don't know now who will and will not be forgiven in the end.
I do know all manner of sin (except one) will be forgiven. Theologians have not agreed on what that one - blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
You say this is not honest?
Its my honest answer.
The man who wrote some 13 of the 27 new testament books said that God used him to be a pattern of God's great forgiveness. He persecuted the church. I think he has some people put to death.
"Who formerly was a blasphemer and a persecutor and an insulting person, but I was shown mercy because, being ignorant, I acted in unbelief. (v.13)
And because of this I was shown mercy, that in me, the foremost [of sinners (v.15)] , Jesus Christ might display all His long-suffering for a pattern to those who are to believe on Him unto eternal life." (v.16) - 1 Tim. 1:13,16)
If you had written this epistle it might have read - "I got in. But most if not all of you liberals are going straight to hell. That'll teach you to get in MY way!"
Who are you trying to get even with?
Are you nourishing some unforgiven wound on your life style?
10 Feb 18
Originally posted by @sonshipObviously you have issues with wanting to listen to yourself ramble.Neither of you are honest.
Don't you understand?
All manner of sins will be forgiven men.
You asked about Jesus not forgiving some people.
I answered, I don't know now who will and will not be forgiven in the end.
I do know all manner of sin (except one) will be forgiven. Theologians have not agreed on what that one - blasphemy ...[text shortened]... are you trying to get even with?
Are you nourishing some unforgiven wound on your life style?
Answer this simple question
What percent of people will have their sins forgiven? More than 50 percent? Less than 50 percent?
11 Feb 18
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelAccording to Jesus only a few will be forgiven. Most of us will not be forgiven.
only god forgives
According to Jesus we can forgive each other.
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11 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladar"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
Obviously you have issues with wanting to listen to yourself ramble.
Answer this simple question
What percent of people will have their sins forgiven? More than 50 percent? Less than 50 percent?
Atheists are poor in spirit.
12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou are wrong about many things.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
Atheists are poor in spirit.
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12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladar
Obviously you have issues with wanting to listen to yourself ramble.
Answer this simple question
What percent of people will have their sins forgiven? More than 50 percent? Less than 50 percent?
What percent of people will have their sins forgiven? More than 50 percent? Less than 50 percent?
When the disciples of Jesus asked for persentage like questions His response was just a directive.
"Enter the narrow gate." I have never felt obligated to do anything but follow His example.
As for listening to one's self ramble.
Your crap doesn't even qualify as ramble.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeNo not really.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven."
Atheists are poor in spirit.
They are self sufficient and in need of nothing else usually, particularly a deity.
Atheists are usually rich in themselves, not poor in spirit.
You don't need anything here on a Spirituality Forum. Right?
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12 Feb 18
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Originally posted by @eladar
According to Jesus only a few will be forgiven.
Probably God will not be as sectarian as you'd like.
"After these things I saw, and behold, there was a great multitude which no one could number, out of every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, ... " (See Rev. 7:9)
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12 Feb 18
Originally posted by @sonshipWell, certainly not a lecture from you.
No not really.
They are self sufficient and in need of nothing else usually, particularly a deity.
Atheists are usually rich in themselves, not poor in spirit.
You don't need anything here on a [b]Spirituality Forum. Right?[/b]