08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerBecause it's the thread topic and abortion and homosexuality lie at the very heart of the liberal-conservative Christian divide. She can sidestep the question if she wants to - as she has chosen to do - or she can PM me if she thinks it necessary. The question ~ which is, lest we forget, about "The Liberal's Jesus" ~ remains unanswered by her. So be it. Maybe another Christian who considers him or herself to be "liberal" can say something about the question I asked.
Why don't you send her a PM about it?
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Originally posted by @fmfYou could ask her thoughts on what the Bible says about the topic, or research that for yourself, but asking someone what "Jesus thinks about something" is rather absurd and probably doesn't warrant a response. Do you think she is a mind reader?
Because it's the thread topic and abortion and homosexuality lie at the very heart of the liberal-conservative Christian divide. She can sidestep the question if she wants to - as she has chosen to do - or she can PM me if she thinks it necessary. The question ~ which is, lest we forget, about "The Liberal's Jesus" ~ remains unanswered by her. So be it. Maybe a ...[text shortened]... stian who considers him or herself to be "liberal" can say something about the question I asked.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI think it's a spot on question in any discussion about what might or might not be the tenets of supposedly "liberal" Christianity or what liberal political stances that many Christians have to reconcile their religious beliefs with. I don't think it's an absurd question at all.
You could ask her thoughts on what the Bible says about the topic, or research that for yourself, but asking someone what "Jesus thinks about something" is rather absurd and probably doesn't warrant a response.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI am reading your mind right now and I reckon you're trying a bit too hard.
Do you think she is a mind reader?
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhy not start trying to have a go at the thread topic?
No you are not because I haven't even started trying.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladarThat would not work at all.
Here is an example...
The Jesus that says homosexual marriage is acceptable before the Lord.
The Apostle Paul condemns it. The Old Testament condemns it. All of tradition condemns it. It is an unnatural union. Sexuality, in general, should be very strictly curtailed to monogamous marriage...
There isn't really a way that this would fall into the realm of acceptability.
It's literally heretical to suggest that this is the case.
08 Feb 18
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Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleDo you think Christians should disassociate [i.e. a form of sanction] from fellow Christians who are homosexuals and who wilfully and knowingly continue to "sin" or do you lean towards leaving the judgement and the sanctions to God?
That would not work at all.
The Apostle Paul condemns it. The Old Testament condemns it. All of tradition condemns it. It is an unnatural union. Sexuality, in general, should be very strictly curtailed to monogamous marriage...
There isn't really a way that this would fall into the realm of acceptability.
It's literally heretical to suggest that this is the case.
Originally posted by @fmfIf someobody willfully and consciously continues in homosexuality, without resisting it, and attempts to reconcile a homosexual lifestyle with Christianity, that is a heresy.
Do you think Christians should disassociate [i.e. a form of sanction] from fellow Christians homosexuals who wilfully and knowingly continue to "sin" or do you lean towards leaving the judgement and the sanctions to God?
If somebody has homosexual temptations, occasionally falls into these temptations, but actively turns away from these lifestyles, etc., of course, this person is a regular Christian who is a sinner. They shouldn't seek, though, to say that they can commit the sin, and certainly, you cannot ask a Priest to bless your sin (e.g., gay marriage).
So in the former case, we have something like in 2 cor:
2 Corinthians 6:14:
"14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? "
The suggestion is generally that you should not have a very close friendship or partnership (and certainly not a marriage) with someone who lives an exceedingly worldly or sinful lifestyle or even qualifies as a 'non-believer.' The Greek word for 'yoked' here is not one that is specific to marriage but literally one that can be as general as 'intercourse' or 'communion.'
http://lovewins.us/bible/compare/2%20Corinthians%206:14
So, in a sense, we could discuss to what extent it would be... Obviously, it would be ridiculous to say "Do not talk or associate with them at all," and it is probably good to be friendly and engaging with everyone that you meet. But you should not consider yourself a very close friend or have extensive business ties (or anything more) with a non-believer and a sinner.
OF course, I have many friends who are not Christians and we hang out regularly. It would probably just be advisable to not consider them my closest of friends or enter some complex business scheme.
It is woth noting, however, that one is allowed to marry a non-believer but this should generally be reserved for times hwen you have come into Christianity after the relationship already began. At least, this is the advice that is most commonly given.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @eladarYour question is about as stupid as it gets, and therefore deserves no answer. The government of the US is unique in the world, and if we are going to stand up and claim it to be good government, then we need to actually make it so.
Now do you intend to answer the original question?
Did Jesus ever say the government should provide social services? Or was Jesus about personal relationships?
But I would appreciate an answer to the original question.
Government in this country is predicated on no official support of any religion, and so whatever Jesus may or may not have said about it 2000 years ago is, frankly, irrelevant. It is our job to look after every member of society, as much as those with all the money would like to keep it for themselves, we simply *must* provide for the sick, the infirm, the poor, and the aged. It is what any society calling itself good must do.
And, for your information, Jesus would approve of this.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfHa ha, yeah, and you're only interested in "debate and discussion". Right.
The question [b]Do you believe Jesus thinks homosexual sex and abortions are "sins"? could scarcely be more ON topic. Nor is it a "diatribe" in any shape or form.[/b]
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @suzianneI didn't say anything of the sort. What I did ask you though, bearing in mind the thread topic, and the debate and discussion it invites, was: Do you believe Jesus thinks homosexual sex and abortions are "sins"?
Ha ha, yeah, and you're only interested in "debate and discussion". Right.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterWas it "Why are most Christians completely intolerant and also stupid enough to support a political party that Jesus would have hated?"
I guess this answers one question I had.