11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidYou DID forget you were ignoring me again.
In a created world by a Holy and Good God, anything that keeps people from Him
is evil and the laws of man are meaningless with this. You can force people to act
certain ways, even force them to recite prayers, go to church or mosque it doesn't
make anyone any closer to God. You can go willingly to church that doesn't bring
you to God either. What occurs between us and G ...[text shortened]... Proverbs 11: 1
A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is his delight.
How lovely 😍
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidI think FMF was asking you for a “scenario”, not another furball.
In a created world by a Holy and Good God, anything that keeps people from Him
is evil and the laws of man are meaningless with this. You can force people to act
certain ways, even force them to recite prayers, go to church or mosque it doesn't
make anyone any closer to God. You can go willingly to church that doesn't bring
you to God either. What occurs between us and G ...[text shortened]... Proverbs 11: 1
A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is his delight.
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidWell everyone has their ideas about right and wrong. When you and I disagree and the outcome is that something so wrong is done to you by me or by you to me that it causes some criminal damage or detriment, then the law will adjudicate. If it's just a disagreement between us, between our opinions, that does no harm, so what? People disagree- so what?
I told you I was speaking about good and evil, not about law.
That alone should have let you know I wasn't speaking about law.
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidAll this doctrine is stuff you subscribe to because of your subjectivity. And there's nothing wrong with that.
In a created world by a Holy and Good God, anything that keeps people from Him
is evil and the laws of man are meaningless with this. You can force people to act
certain ways, even force them to recite prayers, go to church or mosque it doesn't
make anyone any closer to God. You can go willingly to church that doesn't bring
you to God either. What occurs between us and G ...[text shortened]... Proverbs 11: 1
A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is his delight.
@fmf saidIf all this is, is a difference of opinion you are correct. I have to agree with CS Lewis to paraphrase, “If Christianity is false it’s of no importance, if true than there is nothing more important.”
All this doctrine is stuff you subscribe to because of your subjectivity. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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@thinkofone saidIt would be interesting to see you say that slavery is always wrong for everyone and then claim there are no moral absolutes in the same breath.
Over the centuries Christians have been on completely opposite sides as to topics such as slavery, capital punishment, race, women, LGBT, etc. The list goes on and on. Presumably they've all claimed to have "God's Spirit within" and have come up with polar opposite answers.
Clearly claiming to have "God's Spirit within" does not "provide an objective standard for interpretation of the Bible".
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidNonsense. Nobody can claim that Christianity is of no importance if it is "false". It's typical C.S. Lewis: glib and weakminded. Christianity gives billions of people meaning and purpose, solidarity with others, solace in the face of death, and, in many cases, it helps people avoid morally unsound behaviour. Of no importance if false? Sheer nonsense.
If all this is, is a difference of opinion you are correct. I have to agree with CS Lewis to paraphrase, “If Christianity is false it’s of no importance, if true than there is nothing more important.”
11 Nov 18
@fmf saidIf it isn't true, all the hope it gives is false! If it can only give hope here and no
Nonsense. Nobody can claim that Christianity is of no importance if it is "false". It's typical C.S. Lewis: glib and weakminded. Christianity gives billions of people meaning and purpose, solidarity with others, solace in the face of death, and, in many cases, it helps people avoid morally unsound behaviour. Of no importance if false? Sheer nonsense.
father in this life, it would carry the same strength as the flying spaghetti monster.
If this life is the only place for solace than this life's rewards are all there is, so why
not eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die? In the face of death no matter
how one dies it turns into what, nothing! Worse yet, matter how one lived it turns
into the void? Nonsense would be to take any false belief system and turn it into
something meaningful when all meaning evaporates after this life is over.
Now if God's creation is real, the fall of man is real, the Son of God becoming a
man and taking on all of our sins is real. If we neglect such a great salvation, there
could be no greater misstep in all of one's life.
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidThe hope creates purpose, solace, solidarity and structure while alive. The notion that Christianity is of "no importance" if it is "false" ~ i.e. 'while alive' is all there is and there is no afterlife ~ is completely daft.
If it isn't true, all the hope it gives is false! If it can only give hope here and no
father in this life, it would carry the same strength as the flying spaghetti monster.
If this life is the only place for solace than this life's rewards are all there is, so why
not eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die? In the face of death no matter
how one dies it turns into ...[text shortened]... f system and turn it into
something meaningful when all meaning evaporates after this life is over.
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidSounds to me like you are inadvertently illustrating my point about how important your religious beliefs are to you.
If this life is the only place for solace than this life's rewards are all there is, so why
not eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die? In the face of death no matter
how one dies it turns into what, nothing! Worse yet, matter how one lived it turns
into the void?
11 Nov 18
@kellyjay saidSounds to me like thinking all this stuff is real is important to you regardless of whether it's true or not. Believing it's true is deeply important for billions of people. C.S. Lewis' words, as is so often the case, are trite and foolish.
Now if God's creation is real, the fall of man is real, the Son of God becoming a
man and taking on all of our sins is real. If we neglect such a great salvation, there
could be no greater misstep in all of one's life.
11 Nov 18
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@kellyjay saidIf true.
If all this is, is a difference of opinion you are correct. I have to agree with CS Lewis to paraphrase, “If Christianity is false it’s of no importance, if true than there is nothing more important.”
Then true of any religion.
IF
11 Nov 18
@fmf saidThe honest just man shares the same fate as the thief and murder, the notion of
The hope creates purpose, solace, solidarity and structure while alive. The notion that Christianity is of "no importance" if it is "false" ~ i.e. 'while alive' is all there is and there is no afterlife ~ is completely daft.
right and wrong disappear once we do from here. Its all the same without God
being who He is.