The Neck of the Giraffe

@kellyjay said
I'm not sure what you think I'm wrong on, simply saying I'm wrong without giving
specifics isn't saying anything at all. Show me one place where I spoke about
natural selection in a manner you think shows a lack of understanding. Give a
specific example, if not it will once again be clear it is your lack of understanding
that is at work here.

Small slow changes over time, building longer necks, because something eats
more with longer necks. DNA would know to do this how over time? How would
the genetic code know where to alter itself to make a neck grow with this one
and not that one?

@thinkofone said
Show me one place where I spoke about
natural selection in a manner you think shows a lack of understanding.

The following unequivocally shows a complete lack of understanding of the basics of natural selection:
[quote]Small slow changes over time, building longer necks, because something eats
more with longer necks. DNA would know to do this how over time? ...[text shortened]... the dodging and excuses and explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words.

@thinkofone said
Show me one place where I spoke about
natural selection in a manner you think shows a lack of understanding.

The following unequivocally shows a complete lack of understanding of the basics of natural selection:
[quote]Small slow changes over time, building longer necks, because something eats
more with longer necks. DNA would know to do this how over time? ...[text shortened]... the dodging and excuses and explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words.

@kellyjay said
Building a lifeform is much more complex than a CPU.

@kellyjay said
Really that question goes to the point that activity and conditions would result in specific alternations in DNA. If those are ruled out as they should be, than the instructions that DNA requires in life to be changed rests in something else. There are many things that require an explanation in life being formed. Small changes in an undirected process wouldn’t be able to build something specific as a neck. There’s no example of that anywhere else?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
A friend here recently shared the following thoughts with me which I thought warranted a thread of its own. (He may appear to contribute, but won't name him in case he doesn't).

'The Neck of the Giraffe' (written by Francis Hitching) postulates that evolution of species has not and certainly has not always been a slow, gradual and incremental thing, but rather has ...[text shortened]... s.
It's an interesting theory, at least, and purports to explain huge gaps in the fossil record. '

@whodey said
Science is telling us that life has appeared on Earth close to the time the Earth came to be.

So there is no choice but to adopt the notion that life came to be in a much shorter time frame than originally thought before these things were known.

It's almost as if they were being created in a lab.

Trouble is, they can't create life in a lab.

Go figure.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Out of curiosity Kelly, what will your response be on the day scientists create life from scratch? - Something that will probably happen in your lifetime. (Okay, nothing as big as a giraffe). Will this make you rethink the act of creation?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_m83ZuYHUA

(Only 3 minutes or so long).

@kellyjay said
From scratch you mean that they will create out of nothing all the ingredients and begin? 😉

Evidence of evolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve)

The extreme detour of the recurrent laryngeal nerves, about
4.6 metres (15 ft) in the case of giraffes, is cited as evidence
of evolution, as opposed to Intelligent Design. The nerve's
route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of
modern tetrapods, traveling from the brain, past the heart,
to the gills (as it does in modern fish). Over the course of
evolution, as the neck extended and the heart became lower
in the body, the laryngeal nerve was caught on the wrong
side of the heart. Natural selection gradually lengthened
the nerve by tiny increments to accommodate, resulting
in the circuitous route now observed.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I mean they will create life from non-life, mimicking the way life began on this planet.

So no, they will not 'create' the ingredients, they will 'use' the ingredients.

@thinkofone said
You asked me to show you one place. I showed you one place.

It unequivocally shows a complete lack of understanding of the basics of natural selection.

KN understood that it shows this. WG understood that it shows this. That's why they both directed you to read up on natural selection. They both seem to have given up on you since they know that there's no point whe ...[text shortened]... he underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words OR admit that you don't understand it.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Information as the link I showed you is the boundary.

We can create a Frankenstein model like the bubble they were talking about.
It isn't the making of the model its life that is important. It isn't difficult to build a
model, the test is life. We have dead bodies that have the right chemicals in them,
but life isn't there, if life were just chemicals why would there be death if life is just
the right chemicals required?

@wolfgang59 said
Evidence of evolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve)

The extreme detour of the recurrent laryngeal nerves, about
4.6 metres (15 ft) in the case of giraffes, is cited as evidence
of evolution, as opposed to Intelligent Design. The nerve's
route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of
modern tetrapods, traveling from the ...[text shortened]...
the nerve by tiny increments to accommodate, resulting
in the circuitous route now observed.

YouTube

@wolfgang59 said
Evidence of evolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve)

The extreme detour of the recurrent laryngeal nerves, about
4.6 metres (15 ft) in the case of giraffes, is cited as evidence
of evolution, as opposed to Intelligent Design. The nerve's
route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of
modern tetrapods, traveling from the ...[text shortened]...
the nerve by tiny increments to accommodate, resulting
in the circuitous route now observed.