The Neck of the Giraffe

@kellyjay said
Mimicking the way life began, so they are going to use intelligence?

They will use intelligence to recreate what happened when life first appeared on this planet, yes.

Was intelligence involved when life first appeared, no.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
They will use intelligence to recreate what happened when life first appeared on this planet, yes.

Was intelligence involved when life first appeared, no.

If they are going to mimic what happen when first life appeared, and they are
going to use intelligence, and you say there was no intelligence when life first
began! How would that be mimicking what happen if there was no intelligence
involved? Shouldn't you find a lifeless planet some place and stare at it doing
nothing?

If you must put the pieces of the puzzle together to make it work, doesn't that
show you someone needs to put the pieces of the puzzle together to make it work?

@kellyjay said
No, it shows there is a disagreement not lack of understanding, believe it or not,
agreeing with you is not a sign of understanding, neither is disagreeing a sign
of not understanding.

You keep telling yourself that KJ. It's the only way for you to hold on to your delusions as to your understanding of natural selection. That and your intellectually dishonest refusal to explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words.

@kellyjay said
If they are going to mimic what happen when first life appeared, and they are
going to use intelligence, and you say there was no intelligence when life first
began! How would that be mimicking what happen if there was no intelligence
involved? Shouldn't you find a lifeless planet some place and stare at it doing
nothing?

If you must put the pieces of the puzzle toget ...[text shortened]... work, doesn't that
show you someone needs to put the pieces of the puzzle together to make it work?

Intelligence speeds up the process kelly. Most scientists don't have a billion years to invest in the project.

@thinkofone said
You keep telling yourself that KJ. It's the only way for you to hold on to your delusions as to your understanding of natural selection. That and your intellectually dishonest refusal to explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words.

Show me the errors of my statement, in other words, put up or shut up.
As its been pointed out to you, insults and claims of not understanding are the
the same thing as validating a position. I answered, show me my errors if
you can, if you cannot, do you understand the discussion?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Intelligence speeds up the process kelly. Most scientists don't have a billion years to invest in the project.

You see now that I have a real issue with that, because time doesn't add anything
to this discussion as far as I'm concern. I have already told you it isn't having long
amounts of time to do a task, it is only the very small windows of opportunities
that matter, when everything that is required are all true at the same time. If there
is any requirement in a negative state none of the other requirements matter.

@kellyjay said
Show me the errors of my statement, in other words, put up or shut up.
As its been pointed out to you, insults and claims of not understanding are the
the same thing as validating a position. I answered, show me my errors if
you can, if you cannot, do you understand the discussion?

lol. For several pages now you've disingenuously refused to explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words - yet you're telling me to "put up or shut up".

For months now various people have been showing you "the errors of [your] statement[s}, trying to explain natural selection to you, trying to get you to understand that you don't understand natural selection, etc. Why are you pretending that they haven't? All have been for naught.

You're an exceedingly dishonest man.

@kellyjay said
You see now that I have a real issue with that, because time doesn't add anything
to this discussion as far as I'm concern. I have already told you it isn't having long
amounts of time to do a task, it is only the very small windows of opportunities
that matter, when everything that is required are all true at the same time. If there
is any requirement in a negative state none of the other requirements matter.

'Time' is the key factor Kelly. The formation of our universe and the origins of life are of a duration beyond our mortal limitations. We simply don't have the luxury of billions of years to observe all the ingredients coming together in order for life to exist. Fortunately, we don't have to. We can introduce intelligence (our own) to replicate and understand the origins of life. (Which most probably is fairly commonplace across the far-reaching galaxies)

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Intelligence speeds up the process kelly. Most scientists don't have a billion years to invest in the project.

I have another issue with this besides time. As I pointed out with the putting a
puzzle together they just don't automatically fall into place because things are
thrown about, they must be put together correctly. It isn't enough to see two
pieces that get stuck together if they are not supposed to go together.

You know from looking at DNA that the precision required there is information
causing things that needs done to occur, as they need done, when they need
done, for only as long as they are needed and no longer, and so on. This is more
than just a puzzle its a work of systems where one supports another, which
supports more and so on. Breaking a little bit could destroy the whole.

Having the information written is the issue, the cause and effects of instructions
are not haphazard occurring events! No set of instructions to do a complicated
task is just randomly thrown together without something guiding it to do it
correctly.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'Time' is the key factor Kelly. The formation of our universe and the origins of life are of a duration beyond our mortal limitations. We simply don't have the luxury of billions of years to observe all the ingredients coming together in order for life to exist. Fortunately, we don't have to. We can introduce intelligence (our own) to replicate and understand the origins of life. (Which most probably is fairly commonplace across the far-reaching galaxies)

Time does not add to your theory, it takes away! The windows of having all things
come together in a location that can support it all, happens how often? Having
life doesn't mean it just started due to trillions of attempts and failures. What
would a failure look like for example? If there were a limited amount of some
chemical required for life, and it gets thrown together with several other
chemicals! The mixing chemicals changes them, so our required chemical could be
altered it into something else, the attempt fails, and we have lost a required
chemical. Having infinite time will not fix this, it isn’t time that is the issue, it is
having what is required, doing what is required, when it is required.

The number of chances would not be do to time, but the small windows of
opportunities available to resources in any given place and how often they could
be brought together. This isn’t a time limitation it is a resources limitation, limited
resources are never limitless. Another failure for example would be
say all the chemicals were thrown together correctly, (yea) but the information
due to the arraignment of the chemicals wasn't proper, it is still a failure.

Even with our limitations in design we know that we need to put new information
into an operating system to make the next generation CPU use its full potential.
Hardware comes before software, someone must write the code, after the
hardware is created.

The code of life's design is the information of the hardware they are one and
the same.

@thinkofone said
lol. For several pages now you've disingenuously refused to explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words - yet you're telling me to "put up or shut up".

For months now various people have been showing you "the errors of [your] statement[s}, trying to explain natural selection to you, trying to get you to understand that you don't understand nat ...[text shortened]... you pretending that they haven't? All have been for naught.

You're an exceedingly dishonest man.

Have you seen me say the words this is how natural selection does this or that?
Hint, no, and that would be because I'm not talking about natural selection! So your
bluster about knowledge on a topic not be addressed is out of place.

@kellyjay said
I don't think the fossil record is the friend of evolution.

I'm done.

@wolfgang59 said
I'm done.

What I look at your link you run when confronted with one?

@wolfgang59 said
I'm done.

Done looking at the link and refuting it?

@thinkofone said
lol. For several pages now you've disingenuously refused to explain the underlying concepts of natural selection in your own words - yet you're telling me to "put up or shut up".

For months now various people have been showing you "the errors of [your] statement[s}, trying to explain natural selection to you, trying to get you to understand that you don't understand nat ...[text shortened]... you pretending that they haven't? All have been for naught.

You're an exceedingly dishonest man.

Lol. If that were the case you shouldn’t have any problem pointing out one error (and explaining why it’s an error) which for some reason you can’t seem to do.