The Neck of the Giraffe

@wolfgang59 said
Oh...
it's the fine tuned Earth then?

@kellyjay said
That alone wouldn't have been enough if all of the universe were not.

I don't think this theory of macro evolution will survive long into the information age of the 21rst century.

I don't think it will be able to long survive the new discoveries of the fine calibration of the universe's constants to allow a place like the earth with its life to exist.

I could be wrong. But it doesn't look like the discoveries (ie. microbiology and the workings of the cell) of the 21rst century will permit long permit thinking people to view natural selection and random variation to account for the biosphere we see in total.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I said in my initial post, 'Let's start with the shape of the Earth...'

I was making my point to you in bite-size stages. How can I do that if you immediately respond with a different question?

The Earth is a sphere. (Pretty much).
This shape is a result of gravity (just as snow will form into a ball if you applied pressure simultaneously to all sides).
The ...[text shortened]... long long time.

This renders the account of creation in Genesis impossible (if taken literally).

@kellyjay said
How do you account for the fine tuned universe to support life?

@kellyjay said
What do you think would happen if just these two things were not as they are, gravity and the expansion of the universe?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Life would not exist. We wouldn't be having this conversation.

YouTube

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Life would not exist. We wouldn't be having this conversation.

Right. But we DO live and are having the conversation.
You like humor. Check this one out.

THANKS ATHEISM !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yto4jXOOen8

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

So serious! Where's your sense of humor man?

Tis hilarious.

THANKS ATHEISM ! YouTube

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The universe is so infinitely massive that every now and then conditions are right to sustain life. (The right distance from a sun etc etc). Indeed, due to its size, it would be peculiar if the right conditions didn't present themselves now and then.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Life would not exist. We wouldn't be having this conversation.

@KellyJay

You Know Hugh Ross of Reasons to Believe takes this concept to an extraordinary degree. The whole universe, he says is tuned in view of a special group of local galaxies, for a special galaxy, for a special spiral arm in it, for a special solar system, with a special central star, with all special planets, all exquisitely positioned that there could be life on earth the most exquisitely special planet.

"Why the Universe is the Way it Is"

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Life would not exist. We wouldn't be having this conversation.

Right. But we DO live and are having the conversation.
You like humor. Check this one out.

THANKS ATHEISM !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yto4jXOOen8

@kellyjay said
Every now and then exactly how many now and thens are you aware of?

@kellyjay said
Yes fine tuned! These are just a couple of things required for the universe, so from constants in universal forces to information within cells these types of things are not chance, they are to specific without wide ranges in tolerances.