@ghost-of-a-duke saidSo none except this one you’re sure of, and due to what you see with respect to the size, you believe that there are more even though you don’t see them? You believe it to be the case then correct?
I have no doubt that there are many planets out there that support life. Due to the vastness of space, however (which makes such life-sustaining planets a no-brainer) it would take massive improvement in our ability to explore space if we are to ever encounter them.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNothing is fine tuned without someone doing the tuning!
We are indeed very fortunate that the right conditions existed for our planet to exist. This, however, has nothing to do with design or God. Nothing whatsoever.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe universe is so infinitely massive that every now and then conditions are right to sustain life.
The universe is so infinitely massive that every now and then conditions are right to sustain life. (The right distance from a sun etc etc). Indeed, due to its size, it would be peculiar if the right conditions didn't present themselves now and then.
And yet humans with all their wisdom haven't even been able to come close to creating life whilst they are actively manipulating the conditions in a controlled environment. But somehow the conditions were able to manipulate themselves in an uncontrolled environment ey? I must say I admire your faith.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYour lack of doubt is indeed purely faith based.
I have no doubt that there are many planets out there that support life. Due to the vastness of space, however (which makes such life-sustaining planets a no-brainer) it would take massive improvement in our ability to explore space if we are to ever encounter them.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThis, however, has nothing to do with design or God. Nothing whatsoever.
We are indeed very fortunate that the right conditions existed for our planet to exist. This, however, has nothing to do with design or God. Nothing whatsoever.
You know this how?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou think it odd you see one example of life (here on this planet) while looking at the vastness of space and you conclude that there must be more life elsewhere! While you see neatly limitless examples of information and specific fine tuning all around you by intelligent beings, yet you deny all of these examples as evidence for someone in imparts information and does the tuning!?
We are indeed very fortunate that the right conditions existed for our planet to exist. This, however, has nothing to do with design or God. Nothing whatsoever.
@kellyjay saidSitting here in my living room, enjoying a cup of coffee, I am absolutely certain of the existence of Venus, even though I can't see it and have never been there.
So none except this one you’re sure of, and due to what you see with respect to the size, you believe that there are more even though you don’t see them? You believe it to be the case then correct?
Science has shown that the universe is mind-bogglingly vast. The very idea that out of 'all of that' it's only here on Earth that we would find life is simultaneously illogical and, dare I sir, egotistical (from 'an Earthling' perspective).
@kellyjay saidSorry Kelly. You keep using the 'fine tuning' expression but I reject that entirely. Conditions are either right for life or they are not right for life. There is nothing more to it than that.
You think it odd you see one example of life (here on this planet) while looking at the vastness of space and you conclude that there must be more life elsewhere! While you see neatly limitless examples of information and specific fine tuning all around you by intelligent beings, yet you deny all of these examples as evidence for someone in imparts information and does the tuning!?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou have never seen Venus?
Sitting here in my living room, enjoying a cup of coffee, I am absolutely certain of the existence of Venus, even though I can't see it and have never been there.
Science has shown that the universe is mind-bogglingly vast. The very idea that out of 'all of that' it's only here on Earth that we would find life is simultaneously illogical and, dare I sir, egotistical (from 'an Earthling' perspective).
Do you get out at night much?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat about from your front porch like Sarah Palin can?
Not from my living room.
@KellyJay
Ghost wrote to you.
Science has shown that the universe is mind-bogglingly vast. The very idea that out of 'all of that' it's only here on Earth that we would find life is simultaneously illogical and, dare I sir, egotistical (from 'an Earthling' perspective).
But how does he know that God doesn't have some use for all that real estate in eternity future ?
Once sin and death and all rebellion is put away forever, John saw more creating of God ...
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more." (Rev. 21:1)
Hoes does he know what in eternity God may do when He says He will make all things new?
"And He who sits on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And HE said, write for these words are faithful and true." (v.6)
How does he know the limits of what God's saved people will inherit?
"He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me." (v.7)
And if I even HINT that there might be "other worlds" in the eternal age in which God makes all things new, we'll hear about space aliens for the next decade from old Divegeester.
Anyway, it puzzles me that some skeptical types assume God cannot or would not expand His realm of government. He did say that to its extent there would be "no end."
"To the extent of His government and His peace there is no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it in justice and righteousness from now to eternity.
The seal of Jehovah of hosts will accomplish this." (Isaiah 9:7)
Poor man and his puny assumptions.
How do we know what eternity will manifest of God's reign over His creation?
@whodey saidCastles don't have porches.
What about from your front porch like Sarah Palin can?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Just for you, I will pain snakingly type out something from the book "Genesis and the Big Bang", by Dr. Gerald Schroeder. If it sparks an interest, go read it.
"But what of the fossil record on which I have relied so heavily to outline the appearance and flow of life on Earth and which is used so frequently to repudiate the validity of Genesis? Does it provide a satisfactory explanation of life's origins and development? A study of its details reveals that it is no more satisfactory than George Walk's erroneous assumption that random processes produced life on Earth. Wald was 100% correct in his thesis. Given enough time random chemical reactions would lead to life. Wald assumed that the needed time would be found. But it was not. Life appeared almost immediately on the newly formed Earth. Those people who assume that the fossil record provides proof for the theory of evolution through natural selection have fallen into the same trap as did Wald.
The fossil record of the mid 1800's, the time of Darwin's On the Origin of Species, indeed contained organisms ranging from the primitive to the complex. But there was no continuity within this record. with its gaps in fossil evidence, it did not demonstrate an evolutionary flow from the primitive to the complex. Darwin realized this and acknowledged its deficiency. Darwin also qualified the meaning of the struggle that led to survival. But as so often happens within a movement, his followers were more certain than he of his theory's truth. It was obvious to them that evolution must have occurred. They were certain that with more fossil evidence, the glaring gaps in the record would be filled. The step like increases in complexity of life that the fossil record showed would give way to a smooth trend, a life curve as it were, leading from bacteria to trees and mankind.
But the intense paleontological efforts of the past hundred years have not produced the evidence. The fossil record of the late 1900's contains a hundred times more information than the record as it existed at the time of Darwin (who on learning that Alfred Russell Wallace had also developed the concept of evolution through natural selection and was planning to publish it) published his On the Origin of Species. Yet today's fossil record is as discontinuous as that of Darwin's (and Wallace's) time. In the past, the discontinuities have been brushed aside as temporary phenomena, problems that will disappear as our store of paleontological information increases. This is no longer possible. As Dr. Niles Eldredge of the American Museum of Natural History in New York stated so definitively, "The pattern in the fossil record that we were told to find for the past one hundred and twenty years does not exist."
In regards to Wald's arguments, the finds of early microfossils essentially disprove the possibility of randomness as the answer for life on Earth. In regard to the concept of gradual evolution in the forms of life, the expanding fossil library has shown that while the theory of evolution, defined as the natural selection of those forms of life best adapted to their environment, is excellent as a principle for organizing into systemic groups the various current and past morphologies, the theory of gradual evolution is unsubstantiated by the fossil record. Gradual evolution is a fundamental tenant of Darwin's theory. But there is no rhythmic description of the record. Most serious paleontologists now accept that a form of punctuated evolution is the best that can be derived from the information that fossils present to us. A life form appears, remains until it disappears and a new, different structure arises in its place "suddenly".