05 Jun 06
Originally posted by frogstompWell, the second one is IN the Old Testament...
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Thanks for reminding me of t ...[text shortened]... like the OT god didn't tell the second one to Joshua, does it?
Give it up you silly man.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by Bosse de NageFor starters, Matthew begins with the geneaology of the humanity of the Lord Jesus Christ, thus the first prerequisites of the promised prophesized Messiah, i.e., seed of the woman descended through the line of David.
I've always taken Jesus' statement as a declaration that the Old Testament was pretty much null and void.
Do any of the Gospels explicitly quote Jesus as stating that he came to fulfil any prophecy?
Matthew then points to Ezekiel's words of the then-future Messiah. Matthew, more than the other Gospel writers, referenced for his Jewish readership the OT pictures and shadows which portrayed the Christ.
05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by frogstompIf I were God and my choices were to let my creation perish in their sins or bring Christ into the world so that some may live eternally, I would do the later. This is true love. For God so love the world that he brought his only son to die for you and I. Now if your talking about death and violence, this is as bad as it gets. Did he not love his son as well who was sent into this world to be tortured and killed? I am sure he loved the people he ordered killed in the Old Testament as well. You must ask yourself what is the worst possible fate. It is spiritual death. That is what God is trying to avoid even though physical deaths have occured as a result. Unfortunatley, to get to that place the Old Testament conquests were necessary as well as Christ's sacrifice.
22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
thyself.
22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Thanks for reminding me of t ...[text shortened]... like the OT god didn't tell the second one to Joshua, does it?
Give it up you silly man.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYes, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament and not to do away with it. I do not have a Bible handy at present but can find the verse later if you like.
I've always taken Jesus' statement as a declaration that the Old Testament was pretty much null and void.
Do any of the Gospels explicitly quote Jesus as stating that he came to fulfil any prophecy?
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodeyPlease do. In the meantime I have found this:
Yes, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament and not to do away with it. I do not have a Bible handy at present but can find the verse later if you like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_claims_of_fulfilled_Old_Testament_prophecies
05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageI will check it out. In the mean time, you may want to check this site out.
Please do. In the meantime I have found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_claims_of_fulfilled_Old_Testament_prophecies
http://www.preceptaustin.org/daniel_924-27.htm
It shows that Daniel 9:24 gives a time table as to when the Messiah, or Jesus, came. You may not agree with the calculations as some dispute, however, rabbis who wrote the Tulmud, which were a collection of writings commenting on the Old Testament, show that they to came up with the same calculations and wondered why the Messiah never came during the time of Jesus. There are a myriad of biased sites attacking and defending the Christian faith. You must ask yourself, what interest did the rabbis have in concuring that Daniel 9:24 points to the coming of the Messiah?
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodeyHe said the "law and the prophets" then right off he changed laws and said he never changed "on jot or tittle of the law" leaving only the idea that the OT law wasn't god's law.
Yes, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament and not to do away with it. I do not have a Bible handy at present but can find the verse later if you like.
Your problem is that you don't understand His mesage, you only get the part that's meant for the blind , i.e. the ones that get Paul's ( or the prophets) reward. If you can't raise your level of understanding you will be lost, too bad for you, but that's your lookout.
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
but oops he said this too.
5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him
give her a writing of divorcement: 5:32 But I say unto you, That
whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of
fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry
her that is divorced committeth adultery.
and later he said this too
13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see
not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHOh my, are you trying to ruin people's faith in Christ's divinity too.
Jesus frequently pointed to who He was, what He was doing, the activities that surrounded Him as proof of His position as the Messiah, as well.
Wow, and I thought I was bad.
btw Messiah, was akin to an OT Judge, i.e. a warrior who would be the savior of Israel by stomping on the enemy and not by exchanging the Jewish religion with his own.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodey'tis a pity that the demon understood what " the son of god" meant and you don't , but that's because it wasn't being led by the blind.
How about this verse. Matthew 8:28 "And when he was come to the other side unto the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way."
29. And, behold, they cried out, saying, "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? Art thou come hither to ...[text shortened]... he world. The violence done to bring him into the world was a spiritual violence as well.
and revelation is crap.
05 Jun 06
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Originally posted by frogstompThanks for looking those scriptures up for me seeing as I did not have a Bible handy to do so myself. He did not change the laws. He merely expounded upon them as showed the not only the letter of the law shwon in the Old Testament but also the intent as well. He said he came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. Rewriting the laws would be akin to destroying the laws. As far as your charge that Revelation is crap, it is apparent that you know little of Old Testament prophecy. Bits and pieces of the prophecy in Revelation can be found in the Old Testament and the author merely expounded upon certain prophecies.
He said the "law and the prophets" then right off he changed laws and said he never changed "on jot or tittle of the law" leaving only the idea that the OT law wasn't god's law.
Your problem is that you don't understand His mesage, you only get the part that's meant for the blind , i.e. the ones that get Paul's ( or the prophets) reward. If you because they seeing see
not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
05 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodeyIt's not that I know little of the OT prophecy , it's that all prophecy is crap.
Thanks for looking those scriptures up for me seeing as I did not have a Bible handy to do so myself. He did not change the laws. He merely expounded upon them as showed the not only the letter of the law shwon in the Old Testament but also the intent as well. He said he came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. Rewriting the laws would be akin to de ...[text shortened]... ation can be found in the Old Testament and the author merely expounded upon certain prophecies.
These Commandments???
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou
shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jeez , I thought there were more.