The Person of Christ

Originally posted by Suzianne
Of course there is. But this eternal fire results in "the second death", the death of the soul, for the unbeliever. Eternal torture seems a bit "over the top" for a loving God. I know many Christians like the idea, but it's not exactly something to be giggling over, nor to be wished for, for anyone, even those unworthy of God. Watching one's loved ones on earth, but somehow relish the unrepentant sinner being barbequed for all eternity.

I hope no one here or anywhere, actually relishes the idea. I certainly don't.

Originally posted by sumydid
Grow a pair, and take a chance. Try believing in something that can't be absolutely proven. See where that takes you. Only a coward would sit in his foxhole and not believe anything unless another person makes the exhaustive effort to prove it to him beyond doubt.

When you urge people to "Try believing in something that can't be absolutely proven" can it be anything - just as long as it can't be absolutely proven? Or does it have to be something that you also believe in before you'll declare them to have "grown a pair"?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Jesus Christ is the Red Thread of Scripture...

Genesis, – He is the promised seed of the woman
Exodus – He is the High Priest
Numbers – he is the star to rise out of Jacob
Deuteronomy – he is the two laws – love God and love your neighbor
Joshua – he is the captain of the lord of hosts
Judges – he is the covenant angel named wonderful
Ruth – he ...[text shortened]... is as we are
Jude – he is the beloved
Revelation – he is the King of kings and Lord of Lords.

What is your point?

Originally posted by sumydid
Only a coward would sit in his foxhole and not believe anything unless another person makes the exhaustive effort to prove it to him beyond doubt.

I'm no expert, but that doesn't sound like cowardice to me.

Originally posted by FMF

When you urge people to "Try believing in something that can't be absolutely proven" can it be anything - just as long as it can't be absolutely proven? Or does it have to be something that you also believe in before you'll declare them to have "grown a pair"?

Anybody in their right mind owes it to themselves to try these incredibly
insightful "pairs" on; doing so should at least keep them off the streets"

http://powertochange.com/discover/life/five-things-science-explain/

http://listverse.com/2012/08/20/10-more-things-we-cant-comprehend/

http://www.str.org/site/News2?id=5559

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

http://www.cracked.com/article/161_6-things-your-body-does-every-day-that-science-cant-explain/

http://www.trans4mind.com/counterpoint/index-esoteric/swanson.shtml

http://apologeticsorg.blogspot.com/2008/08/at-least-5-things-science-cant-explain.html

Edit: Guess which of the seven fits gb's big fat foot/mouth the best?
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]Anybody in their right mind owes it to themselves to try these incredibly insightful "pairs" on; doing so should at least keep them off the streets"

http://powertochange.com/discover/life/five-things-science-explain/

http://listverse.com/2012/08/20/10-more-things-we-cant-comprehend/

http://www.str.org/site/News2?id=5559

http://en.wik ...[text shortened]...

http://apologeticsorg.blogspot.com/2008/08/at-least-5-things-science-cant-explain.html
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This in no way answers the question I asked sumydid. He is talking about not trying to believe in something that can't be absolutely proven as being a kind of "cowardice".

Originally posted by Suzianne
[b]The truth is that the four of you above me here cannot
absolutely prove beyond all reasonable doubt that there
is a God.

No, of course not.

While history may recount certain people and events like
Jesus and Moses and the Roman Empire and all that.
It does not prove that there is any higher power other than
the political system that exi ...[text shortened]... ght of the world. This is our armor for surviving a world which reviles us.

Thank you Suzi for your very comprehensive answers.

they are all good except for 2 points.

You say that history is not fallible.
I believe you are wrong on this as history can be written
by the victors and the powerful to hide the truth of what actually happened.
I already asked you how many times has history been re written
due to facts being uncovered that were hidden by others who did
not want people to see them.


Your second point is even more fragile.

You want me and others to believe in a Supernatural being
and that he sent his son here to show us how this should be done.

If there was a God. I believe he should be more evident than he is.
If he was then all the earth would know who God is and which way
he wants us to worship him.

If that was the case then the world would have only one true religion
and not lots of different religions like it has now.

I think that we could have an organized just and fair society
without any religion.

I especially do not believe that you go someplace else after you are dead.

But I thank you for replying so comprehensively to my post.

Originally posted by FMF

This in no way answers the question I asked sumydid. He is talking about not trying to believe in something that can't be absolutely proven as being a kind of "cowardice".

"When you urge people to "Try believing in something that can't be absolutely proven"
can it be anything - just as long as it can't be absolutely proven?" [FMF]

FMF, please avail yourself of this opportunity to listen to a few insights
of several men with intellects comparable to your own. Thank you. (gb)
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"When you urge people to "Try believing in something that can't be absolutely proven"
can it be anything - just as long as it can't be absolutely proven?" [FMF]

FMF, please avail yourself of this opportunity to listen to a few insights
of several men with intellects comparable to your own. Thank you. (gb)
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Intellect is used to deduce problems by
examining the facts and arriving at a solution.

Believing in the spirit world and fairies and leprachauns
and magical powers is not using your intellect.

You'd want to get a grip and get real.

If it come to a disaster and there's a choice between
praying and practical I will be practical 100% of the time.

If you saw someone in a house fire and it was possible to get them out
are you going to save them or just stand there and pray?

There are no ghosts, no spirits, no magic.

Your permanent address when you breathe your last
will be a box buried under 6 feet of earth.
That's if you are not burnt to ashes.

You won't be going to any paradise resort in the sky.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Jesus Christ is the Red Thread of Scripture...

Genesis, – He is the promised seed of the woman
Exodus – He is the High Priest
Numbers – he is the star to rise out of Jacob
Deuteronomy – he is the two laws – love God and love your neighbor
Joshua – he is the captain of the lord of hosts
Judges – he is the covenant angel named wonderful
Ruth – he ...[text shortened]... is as we are
Jude – he is the beloved
Revelation – he is the King of kings and Lord of Lords.

Well done!

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
FMF, please avail yourself of this opportunity to listen to a few insights
of several men with intellects comparable to your own. Thank you. (gb)
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Your response was non-sequitur. The topic is "cowardice". Your spam bomb volley of links missed the point.

The Adamic Sin Nature is genetically passed down through the male sperm. The Holy Spirit, alone, was supernaturally responsible for Mary's Pregnancy. Therefore, she gave birth to an uncontaminated fetus. The Humanity of Christ is Unique in that His Person was Perfect Humanity and Undiminished Deity in One Person Forever. During His Life on Earth, He voluntarily set aside His Divine Omnipotence (Doctrine of Kenosis). The physical pain suffered during the imprisoment and physical death was nothing compared to His Substitutionary Spiritual Death (separation from God, the Father and Holy Spirit for six hours prior to physical death by execution). He 'Tasted Spiritual Death' in our place to satisfy Divine Justice (Propitiation), so that Salvation through Faith Alone in Christ Alone could be offered as a Free (Grace) Gift to all men.

This is some religionist stuff you posted a few days ago. Subscribing - or not subscribing - to dogmatized superstitions and conjecture such as this is not a matter of "cowardice" or "growing a pair".

As I said a day or two ago, it's interesting to note how often your spiritual mind map [at least as it manifest itself in this forum] relies so heavily on clumsy put downs and sloganeering. It's as if you've never spoken to a former Christian before. Take it from me, your put downs and slogans do not come across as "insights" at all. 🙂

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
Intellect is us...[text shortened]...sky.

Your permanent address when you breathe your last
will be a box buried under 6 feet of earth.
That's if you are not burnt to ashes.

You won't be going to any paradise resort in the sky.

Prove it.

It is a reasonable request afterall, no?

Originally posted by RJHinds
"Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die."
(1 Corinthians 15:36)

"Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit."
(John 12:24)

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul on/pink_eternal_punishment.html

Good for you, Ron.

Engaging with conversation is far preferable to just giving a link to a video or another webpage.

Yes, I am an Annihilationist. Good for you for sussing that out. Except the Annihilation I'm talking about is after judgment, some of what you quote doesn't seem to apply.

And yes, I grasp the difference between Gehenna and Hades. I am not at odds with that at all.

This man A.W. Pink seems to be the type of Christian I was talking about in my post. "Nooooo, I was told they'd be in torment forever! Forever! I want my money's worth here!"

How very sad.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Good for you, Ron.

Engaging with conversation is far preferable to just giving a link to a video or another webpage.

Yes, I am an Annihilationist. Good for you for sussing that out. Except the Annihilation I'm talking about is after judgment, some of what you quote doesn't seem to apply.

And yes, I grasp the difference between Gehenna and Hades. ...[text shortened]... , I was told they'd be in torment forever! Forever! I want my money's worth here!" Sad.

Wow you want to kill everybody.

That's so hot when I look at you in that Supergirl outfit.

I thought Supergirl was all about good and saving people.
Not wiping them all out. Whether they were good or evil.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
Wow you want to kill everybody.

That's so hot when I look at you in that Supergirl outfit.

I thought Supergirl was all about good and saving people.
Not wiping them all out. Whether they were good or evil.

No, I do NOT "want to kill everybody".

I think it's pretty clear. "The wages of sin is death." We need to remove the yoke of sin in order to be saved. We cannot enter the presence of God with that taint of sin. Christ came without sin to take on the cost of humanity's sins and enable us to be purified and to see God.

Those who refuse this incredible gift retain their sins, they are unrepentant and choose to keep their sin, their defilement. "The wages of sin is death." They choose their own Annihilation of Judgment.

The Annihilation of Judgment IS what we Christians want to save people from.

But those people have to make the effort.

Believing in the Almighty God is the first step.