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@sonship saidGhost of a Duke is an admirable and interesting contributor to this forum. He is not "cheating" anyone. That is your narcissistic internet persona talking. Nobody is stopping "listeners" here from listening to you and from believing the same things as you.
Your slanders that Lee was a charlatan are lies. Sitting under your religious education curriculum is cheating listeners from believing and receiving the living God.
@sonship said"Jealousy" "Resentment"? Watch out, KellyJay will be condemning you for projecting motivations onto Ghost of a Duke.
Maybe this explains something of your jealousy or resentment at a faithful teacher of the word of God. You seem intent to slander one with genuine revelation from God and not just objective religious knowledge.
"Slander"? Are you trying to frame Ghost of a Duke's expression of a different perspective from you as some kind of morally unsound act?
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A true teacher of the New Testament wrote a book The Experience of Life.
It patiently directs Christian readers through the stages of development from spiritual infancy to maturity.
Unfortunately but typically, Ghost, claiming he's qualified to teach Christian religion, calls such a faithful and experienced servant of God a charlatan.
So be it. So as not to waste the space, some of you readers should look at the table of contents of this logically laid out primer on how to grow as a follower of Jesus Christ.
The Experience of Life by Witness Lee
The Experience of Life
CONTENTS
The First Stage—in Christ
1. Regeneration
2. Clearance of the Past
The Second Stage—Abiding in Christ
3. Consecration
4. Dealing with Sins
5. Dealing with the World
6. Dealing with the Conscience
7. Obeying the Teaching of the Anointing
8. Knowing the Will of God
The Third Stage—Christ Living in Me
9. Dealing with the Flesh
10. Dealing with the Self
11. Dealing with the Natural Constitution
12. Accepting the Discipline of the Holy Spirit
13. Dealing with the Spirit
14. Being Filled with the Holy Spirit
The Fourth Stage—Christ’s Full Growth in Us
15. Knowing the Body
16. Knowing the Ascension
17. Reigning
18. Spiritual Warfare
19. Full of the Stature of Christ
https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=1DA0
This is one of the most spiritually practical books I ever read on how to get into the living in Christ both individually and corporately. But I have not finished it. I first stated it in 1974.
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30 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidI provided you with a direct quote from Lee that has him describe man as the fourth person of the trinity. For whatever reason, you seem unable to respond to this quote and would rather insinuate I am putting words in Lee's mouth.
I'm not trying to tell you what laws are real, my question to you was not about what is real was it? What I asked you was if you were driving faster than the speed limit, a real law, and you didn't know would that be an acceptable excuse for not obeying it.
You are really fighting actually having a conversation here! I have read Witness Lee, I have seen others talk about ...[text shortened]... h would explain why you are getting insulting when you are questioned about this thing your pushing.
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30 Dec 19
@sonship saidI could study history without becoming a member of Henry VIII's court, and still derive academic learning from my studies. That you do not think this is possible when studying theology is profoundly naïve.
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[quote] Indeed. I did Religious Studies at A level and enjoyed the discussions it generated. (Despite, or perhaps due to, my atheism). At the time this inspired me to make teaching RS a career choice, and even now I am only 1 year away from being a qualified teacher. (A PGCE course). It was only during my degree that I changed my mind about being a teacher ...[text shortened]... ur religious education curriculum is cheating listeners from believing and receiving the living God.
Jealously is certainly not a feeling that Lee generates in me. The same goes for Joseph Smith or Charles Russell.
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I could study history without becoming a member of Henry VIII's court, and still derive academic learning from my studies. That you do not think this is possible when studying theology is profoundly naïve.
Jealously is certainly not a feeling that Lee generates in me. The same goes for Joseph Smith or Charles Russell.
You religious studies degree is as worthless to the spiritual progress of a Christian as used toilet paper. Good for flushing down the toilet, and nothing else.
If you want to show off some objective knowledge about history of dogma, politics or religion, that might be interesting.
The Life Studies from the Christian man you slander are just that - helps to assist Christians to increase in spiritual life. And they surely do.
To that end, your education, by which you propose to misinterpret and slander a servant of God as a charlatan, is pitifully useless.
I'm sure of it.
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30 Dec 19
@sonship saidWe call that degree envy.
You religious studies degree is as worthless to the spiritual progress of a Christian as used toilet paper. Good for flushing down the toilet, and nothing else.
If you want to show off some objective knowledge about history of dogma, politics or religion, that might be interesting.
The Life Studies from the Christian man you slander are just that ...[text shortened]... misinterpret and slander a servant of God as a charlatan, is pitifully useless.
I'm sure of it.
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We call that degree envy.
"We" can call it whatever "we" want.
There was more consecration in the single hearted dedicated serving life of brother Witness Lee in his mid twenties then you probably ever will attain on into and past middle age.
You haven't even gotten STARTED yet - atheist.
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@sonship saidYou repeatedly say 'I'm sure of it' but rather suspect you have not been sure of anything in your entire life.
I'm sure of it.
Perhaps a theology degree is what 'you' need, one that explores religion outside of your little toxic bubble.
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Perhaps a theology degree is what 'you' need, one that explores religion outside of your little toxic bubble.
Perhaps not.
If you had produced a paper as a freshman, quote mining and NEGLECTING qualifying statements as you did, any decent professor should have given you an F for such sloppy "research."
Please don't hold your breath while waiting for me to be impressed with your religious studies degree making you an expert on the Lord's receovery.
Only three minutes of rebuttal needed.
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You repeatedly say 'I'm sure of it' but rather suspect you have not been sure of anything in your entire life.
Another thing your religious study studies never taught you about - "the teaching of the anointing".
No one with any experience could teach you about First John probably.
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30 Dec 19
@sonship saidApologies sir. I was unaware that you were privy to the contents of my studies.
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You repeatedly say 'I'm sure of it' but rather suspect you have not been sure of anything in your entire life.
Another thing your religious study studies never taught you about - "the teaching of the anointing".
No one with any experience could teach you about First John probably.