29 Dec 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou believe that if you do something against the law that would excuse you of being charged with a crime?
I have 'never' believed in your God. Please explain how I blaspheme a non-existent deity?
And if you bothered to read my answers to your questions you would know already my studies were geared towards a career in teaching.
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@sonship saidYes, you have misread my experience.
Ghost, sometimes a man loves God and intends to serve God.
But something happens while he is getting ready to serve God.
He does something for which he cannot forgive HIMSELF.
God forgives. But he cannot bring himself to forgive himself.
So he becomes very, very cynical.
He can come to hate those who were like he was at one time, believing / loving God.
This I ...[text shortened]... for the Lord's recovery where we were recovered from the clergy / laity system and its expectations.
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29 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidIf that law was made up and entirely bogus, yes. (No crime was committed).
You believe that if you do something against the law that would excuse you of being charged with a crime?
Any more daft questions?
29 Dec 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe law doesn't recognize ignorance as an excuse for breaking one. You can drive 60 MPH down a street with a limit of 35 MPH, not knowing is an excuse the law accepts. Should I expect some more insults or put-downs about my views or intelligence, as you avoid sincere questions?
If that law was made up and entirely bogus, yes. (No crime was committed).
Any more daft questions?
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29 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidYour questions may be sincere, but they are still daft. Sorry if you find that truth insulting.
The law doesn't recognize ignorance as an excuse for breaking one. You can drive 60 MPH down a street with a limit of 35 MPH, not knowing is an excuse the law accepts. Should I expect some more insults or put-downs about my views or intelligence, as you avoid sincere questions?
Again, I do not recognize those 'laws' as credible or real. It is not, therefore, a case of 'ignorance' of a factual law but an intelligent and reasoned understanding that such a law doesn't exist in reality. (How can I break a fictional law? )
Sorry to report kelly but you don't get to tell me what laws are real or unreal.
29 Dec 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidPretty much par for the course with you at the moment.
Your questions may be sincere, but they are still daft. Sorry if you find that truth insulting.
Again, I do not recognize those 'laws' as credible or real. It is not, therefore, a case of 'ignorance' of a factual law but an intelligent and reasoned understanding that such a law doesn't exist in reality. (How can I break a fictional law? )
Sorry to report kelly but you don't get to tell me what laws are real or unreal.
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29 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidLook, for weeks now you have been insulting in your posting, which apparently is okay if those insults are directed at an atheist.
Pretty much par for the course with you at the moment.
I now understand that insults are only unacceptable if they are directed at a Christian.
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30 Dec 19
@sonship saidIndeed. I did Religious Studies at A level and enjoyed the discussions it generated. (Despite, or perhaps due to, my atheism). At the time this inspired me to make teaching RS a career choice, and even now I am only 1 year away from being a qualified teacher. (A PGCE course). It was only during my degree that I changed my mind about being a teacher.
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Yes, you have misread my experience.
Okay. My misread.
Ya just wanted to be a teacher.
At no point during my studies was I a Christian or somebody searching for God.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI'm not trying to tell you what laws are real, my question to you was not about what is real was it? What I asked you was if you were driving faster than the speed limit, a real law, and you didn't know would that be an acceptable excuse for not obeying it.
Your questions may be sincere, but they are still daft. Sorry if you find that truth insulting.
Again, I do not recognize those 'laws' as credible or real. It is not, therefore, a case of 'ignorance' of a factual law but an intelligent and reasoned understanding that such a law doesn't exist in reality. (How can I break a fictional law? )
Sorry to report kelly but you don't get to tell me what laws are real or unreal.
You are really fighting actually having a conversation here! I have read Witness Lee, I have seen others talk about him I respect, but I'm not over the top about him or anyone else. I have never seen or heard about the things you are suggesting as coming from him and you are being resisted about this too. So unless you can show me why you think this, I'm more inclined to believe this is just like multi-gods in the Bible for you. You either have a good reason to believe this or it is just something you see! Which would explain why you are getting insulting when you are questioned about this thing your pushing.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat is insulting that I have said, you don't believe in God, so I don't take your views about God in any capacity as valid; for you, it is like discussing Gandalf and Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore who is the best wizard. Debating with someone who doesn’t believe in God then tells me what He is like is along the lines of someone born blind tell me colors are not real, they don’t know but they are going to tell me about it anyway. You fail at looking at the whole Bible to look at God; instead you look at scripture to prove your point, and you do this by selecting bits and pieces. You find fault in a Sovereign actually punishing someone for disobeying, we are not talking about a loudmouth neighbor here who wants their way, but the One who created all things for His good pleasure, and holds it all together by the power of His Word.
Look, for weeks now you have been insulting in your posting, which apparently is okay if those insults are directed at an atheist.
I now understand that insults are only unacceptable if they are directed at a Christian.
30 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidWhat an oddly defensive cop-out on a debate and discussion forum such as this!
What is insulting that I have said, you don't believe in God, so I don't take your views about God in any capacity as valid; for you, it is like discussing Gandalf and Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore who is the best wizard. Debating with someone who doesn’t believe in God then tells me what He is like is along the lines of someone born blind tell me colors are not re ...[text shortened]... ne who created all things for His good pleasure, and holds it all together by the power of His Word.
30 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidDoes "I'm not over the top about him" mean that you DO or you DON'T accept the teachings of Witness Lee?
I have read Witness Lee, I have seen others talk about him I respect, but I'm not over the top about him or anyone else. I have never seen or heard about the things you are suggesting as coming from him and you are being resisted about this too.
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Indeed. I did Religious Studies at A level and enjoyed the discussions it generated. (Despite, or perhaps due to, my atheism). At the time this inspired me to make teaching RS a career choice, and even now I am only 1 year away from being a qualified teacher. (A PGCE course). It was only during my degree that I changed my mind about being a teacher.
At no point during my studies was I a Christian or somebody searching for God.
Then I sadly have to consider you as one of the tares sown among the wheat. The result of all your "teaching" about religious studies, as far as Christ is concerned, is opposed to the truth.
Maybe this explains something of your jealousy or resentment at a faithful teacher of the word of God. You seem intent to slander one with genuine revelation from God and not just objective religious knowledge.
In Witness Lee's case the light from God resulted in a life very consecrated to serve Christ faithfully. In your case it produced a mocker intent on slandering a true servant of God.
And I want to tell you, contrary to your slanders, I can think of few other contemporary servants of Christ who did more to direct people to hold fast to Jesus Himself rather then follow himself as an authority.
Witness Lee labored to direct individuals and churches to hold fast the Head Christ. He taught that the headship of Christ over every man and woman and over every local church must be honored at all costs.
Your slanders that Lee was a charlatan are lies. Sitting under your religious education curriculum is cheating listeners from believing and receiving the living God.