14 Jul 17
Originally posted by KellyJayLuke 6
They can if doesn't mean they all do. If you have scriptures to suggest otherwise quote them.
3 “For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart[a] brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Does Jesus describe a third kind of man?
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarThat is evil men being evil, you don't have to be demon possessed for that.
Luke 6
[b]3 “For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. 44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush. 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart[a] brings ...[text shortened]... of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Does Jesus describe a third kind of man?[/b]
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarI think the question in the moment is what does it mean to be possessed? Generally we think of being possessed as not being in control of ourselves, to put it another way we are not in the driver's seat, something else is.
Does the holy spirit possess people?
Contemporary media, scripture, etc. illustrate possession in a negative fashion, movies like the Omen, Rosemary's Baby and bible stories like that of the man who had a legion of demons living in him (come to mind) are expressive of what it means to be possessed. These things are attributed to the activities of demons.
Regarding the Holy Spirit, he indwells the believer, his attributes are many but he doesn't make anybody do anything, he guides, he comforts, he equips. He is good!
1. Convicts us of sin.
John 16:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
2. He indwells believers
John 14:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
3. He produces fruit in believers
Galatians 5:22-25 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
4. Believers are empowered
Acts 1:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[a] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
These are to name a few, but there are more. KellyJay is right, to compare the HS with satan as to the role of each with regards to the believer as being the same is some dangerous ground to walk on, I don't think I would go there.
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by leunammiPossession may be the topic you are interested in. I am interested in the more pressing question which is the two types of hearts and how we can discern the difference.
I think the question in the moment is what does it mean to be possessed? Generally we think of being possessed as not being in control of ourselves, to put it another way we are not in the driver's seat, something else is.
Contemporary media, scripture, etc. illustrate possession in a negative fashion, movies like the Omen, Rosemary's Baby and bible s ...[text shortened]... believer as being the same is some dangerous ground to walk on, I don't think I would go there.
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarFor the heart with the Holy Spirit, I guess you look for the fruit.
Possession may be the topic you are interested in. I am interested in the more pressing question which is the two types of hearts and how we can discern the difference.
Galatians 5:22-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
For the heart with something other than the Holy Spirit, I guess it is something else. Would you agree?
Originally posted by leunammiSo your position is that one can have the holy spirit and still not know the difference between sexual immorality and sexual morality?
For the heart with the Holy Spirit, I guess you look for the fruit.
[b]Galatians 5:22-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
For the heart with something other than the Holy Spirit, I guess it is something else. Would you agree?[/b]
Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: [i]immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, [j]factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by EladarThere are sinners saved by God's grace through faith, and sinners who are condemned already because they have not believed in Jesus. Those will die in their sins. We are all sinners before God, turning to Him is the only hope for mankind.
Possession may be the topic you are interested in. I am interested in the more pressing question which is the two types of hearts and how we can discern the difference.
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by leunammiI agree
For the heart with the Holy Spirit, I guess you look for the fruit.
[b]Galatians 5:22-23 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
For the heart with something other than the Holy Spirit, I guess it is something else. Would you agree?[/b]
14 Jul 17
Originally posted by KellyJayGalatians 5
There are sinners saved by God's grace through faith, and sinners who are condemned already because they have not believed in Jesus. Those will die in their sins. We are all sinners before God, turning to Him is the only hope for mankind.
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: [i]immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, [j]factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.