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@divegeester said
Could you please describe what “reality” is without expressing it as a “personal view”?

Thanks.
Just read dive not much is required of you.

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@kellyjay said
Code
Hang on! Does Code = Ghost?

I might need another cookie from the Oracle before I can process this.

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@kellyjay said
Just read dive not much is required of you.
As you might know, there's at least one story in the Jewish tradition about an illiterate farmer or shepherd who is sincerely devout but who feels embarrassed that he doesn't know how to pray, and an Angel tells him that The Lord would be happy just to hear him count numbers or recite the aleph-bet for The Lord's ears.

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@kellyjay said
Just read dive not much is required of you.
KellyJay,

Could you please describe what “reality” is without expressing it as a “personal view”?

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@divegeester said
KellyJay,

Could you please describe what “reality” is without expressing it as a “personal view”?
Have you not yet arrived at the understanding that reality expresses itself, you silly doofus?

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@divegeester said
KellyJay,

Could you please describe what “reality” is without expressing it as a “personal view”?
If you cannot tell reality from opinion nothing I say will help you.

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@kellyjay said
If you cannot tell reality from opinion nothing I say will help you.
If you will not allow Christ the Liberator to free you from some blab that some (perhaps well-meaning) Jewish guys wrote thousands of years ago, then maybe you don't want to be free.

Maybe you feel more comfortable trying to control others -- for their own good, of course.

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@kellyjay said
Therefore, you cannot know if you are right or not, ever, that as far as you are
concerned, the truth will always be elusive to you!?
you cannot know if you are right or not

Cannot "know"?

That's right.

You for example have your religious faith. That is BELIEVING, not KNOWING.

My opinion about the "truth" in these matters is also a case of BELIEVING and not KNOWING, regardless of how certain I might be. Same goes for you.

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@kellyjay said
If you cannot tell reality from opinion nothing I say will help you.
Stop dodging KellyJay.

I’m asking you to describe reality without expressing it as an opinion.

This is a direct question relating to your OP.

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@kellyjay said
Do you think you will forever be
learning and never coming to knowledge, just an endless loop of speculation?
"Forever learning", yes, for some people, maybe not all. Some will retreat into curiosity-ending or certainty-driven ideology.

We all have our personal opinions about the veracity of the "knowledge" we believe we have in these matters.

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@kellyjay said
If
you profess this as a truth that must include everyone, how do you know this is
true?
What I "profess" are just the beliefs that I hold about the "truth" after I synthesise everything I have ever read, every conversation I have ever had, and everything I have ever heard, thought and experienced.

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@kellyjay said
After all, it is nothing but your opinion, your perspectives on reality, is it not?
Our perspectives on reality are all we are discussing here

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@divegeester said
Stop dodging KellyJay.

I’m asking you to describe reality without expressing it as an opinion.

This is a direct question relating to your OP.
Why pick on your little brother, you proud and vicious little coward?

What questions do you ask the God you pretend to believe in?

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@kellyjay said
If death isn't the end, my beliefs about it don't make it so, then neither would my
denial.
You can believe whatever you want about whether or not death is the end. You talk about it as if someone is interfering with your ability to express your opinion about it.

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@kellyjay said
Once we die, reality will be revealed one way or
another, as it does all the time when we pit our beliefs in opposition to it.
"Once we die, reality will be revealed one way or another". Indeed, and until then we can but speculate about that reality and express our opinions about it

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