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@mike69 said
The difference for us is it’s not our reality it’s Gods from his living word and a spiritual relationship that develops from it. So through your one on one relationship with him, and from spending time in his word and praying for direction and growth, God strengthens and develops these bonds and insights. We let go of our reality like yours and the worlds to accept his true reality.

I am fully aware of the tenets of your faith.

@kellyjay said
No, you missed the point, again.
If you are looking at me, you are not looking at reality to see if what I'm saying fits
reality as it is, nothing about your assessment will be on the topic, if it's just me, the
assertions, the rationale, it will all be about me, and I'm not the topic unless you
make me the topic, and then you are not by avoidance talking about what is
...[text shortened]... thing high will enlighten
you to the truth if all you have to fly with is a homemade superman suit.

I don't think anyone here is looking at you, I'm certainly not, since I don't know you. All we know of you is that which we read in these forums, and your often expressed belief in the literal truth of the bible. Believe away, nobody is stopping you or attempting to stop you, but your beliefs have nothing to do with 'truth' or 'reality', and this seems to be something which you are unable to accept.

If you were to say 'This is what I believe, but it may not be true.' then all's well and the conversation may be concluded.

@indonesia-phil said
I don't think anyone here is looking at you, I'm certainly not, since I don't know you. All we know of you is that which we read in these forums, and your often expressed belief in the literal truth of the bible. Believe away, nobody is stopping you or attempting to stop you, but your beliefs have nothing to do with 'truth' or 'reality', and this seems to be something ...[text shortened]... s is what I believe, but it may not be true.' then all's well and the conversation may be concluded.

Or he could quit trying to explain to people like you and FMF that are nonbelievers with no connection or acceptance of. Do you expect to feel or understand anything being an atheist?? Why do you feel the need to impose your reality especially here of all places when you don’t feel or have faith in. What’s your driving force honestly?

@fmf said
I am fully aware of the tenets of your faith.

Way to answer sunshine.

@mike69 said
Way to answer sunshine.

There is no need for you to be impudent. You tell me about your faith. So I acknowledge it. It is a series of assertions that I fully understand, not least because of my own experience. What kind of "answer" are you hoping for when you assert: "The difference for us is it’s not our reality it’s Gods from his living word and a spiritual relationship that develops from it"?

@mike69 said
Or he could quit trying to explain to people like you and FMF that are nonbelievers with no connection or acceptance of.

This is something you should perhaps put directly to KellyJay rather than using Indonesian Phil or me as proxies.

@mike69 said
Why do you feel the need to impose your reality especially here of all places when you don’t feel or have faith in. What’s your driving force honestly?

Why do you feel the need to impose your reality?

I don't see how Indonesia Phil is "imposing" anything on anybody.

What’s your driving force honestly?

Well, this IS, after all, a debate and discussion forum - and not a Christianity Forum, lest we forget ~ so the motivation to participate is in order to engage in debate and discussion, surely? Indonesia Phil can speak for himself, of course.

@fmf said
This is something you should perhaps put directly to KellyJay rather than using Indonesian Phil or me as proxies.

Wrong, why can’t he answer. Have you not written something yet to put under his name. Your meds not working as good as usual.

@mike69 said
Do you expect to feel or understand anything being an atheist?

I am an agnostic atheist and I am well able to "feel" and "understand" the issues and beliefs and aspirations that are discussed on this forum. Why wouldn't I be?

@mike69 said
Your meds not working as good as usual.

There is no need for this low-grade banter.

@mike69 said
Why do you feel the need to impose your reality especially here of all places

“Here of all places”

Surely a discussion forum called “spirituality” is the very place of all places for matters of faith or non faith in the supernatural to be discussed?

@mike69 said
Wrong, why can’t he answer.

The question of should or could KellyJay just quit explaining his beliefs is a question for him to answer. If KellyJay is here, posting, people can discuss things with him. If KellyJay is no longer here posting, then people can't. Ultimately it is KellyJay's decision and not Indonesia Phil's or mine.

@fmf said
you cannot know if you are right or not

Cannot "know"?

That's right.

You for example have your religious faith. That is BELIEVING, not KNOWING.

My opinion about the "truth" in these matters is also a case of BELIEVING and not KNOWING, regardless of how certain I might be. Same goes for you.

You are claiming we can’t know, so how do you know, we can not know?

@divegeester said
Stop dodging KellyJay.

I’m asking you to describe reality without expressing it as an opinion.

This is a direct question relating to your OP.

I did answer you, if you cannot tell the difference between opinions and reality nothing can be said to enlighten you.

@divegeester said
“Here of all places”

It would appear he perceives this as a Christianity Forum and, it would seem, he finds contributions from non-Christians inappropriate. It would appear this is all he is bringing to this conversation.