Originally posted by @kellyjay“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" is very abstract. I'm asking you to tell me exactly what you think it entails.
LOL, I asked you, and your answer is for me to tell you again what I think, even after you
already told me that what I have already said about that verse is wrong! How about
enlightening me on the proper way to read the text by answering my question to you?
15 Jul 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI think it is very clear, and stands on its own without any explaining necessary. I don't have
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" is very abstract. I'm asking you to tell me exactly what you think it entails.
to interpret it, just quote it.
15 Jul 18
To see how depraved the human heart is, religions before the Mosaic law routinely sacrificed their children to the gods for financial gain, whether it was for a fertile crop or victory in war, etc. However, the God of the Bible put an end to such practices.
Today, they still do it, all in the name of killing off their unborn offspring for a better career, or protecting their nest egg by not having to finance a child.
Some things never change.
Originally posted by @whodeyThe entire basis of Christianity is a supposedly wrathful, vengeful torturer God sacrificing his own child because ~ if he doesn't do that ~ he somehow can't or won't forgive people for their "sins", although, having sacrificed his own child in this demented nonsensical way, he can't forgive people who don't believe in this fantastical folklore, so he - according to sonship - sets fire to them and hangs them out on chains [presumably suspended over the "Lake of Fire"] and just burns them and burns them and burns them for eternity as a warning to space aliens. [Ask sonship about that.]
To see how depraved the human heart is, religions before the Mosaic law routinely sacrificed their children to the gods for financial gain, whether it was for a fertile crop or victory in war, etc. However, the God of the Bible put an end to such practices.
So, here you are whodey, asking us "to see how depraved the human heart is", and I say just take a look at the child sacrifice - in all its stupendously meaningless symbolism - supposedly perpetrated by your god figure and which forms the centrepiece of your preferred religion... and there you will see the utter depravity of the human heart and imagination.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThen you should have no problem explaining exactly what you think it entails.
I think it is very clear, and stands on its own without any explaining necessary. I don't have
to interpret it, just quote it.
Not being a mind reader, I don't know exactly what YOU think it entails.
No idea why you're balking at offering an explanation when it's so
"simple" and "clear". Unless of course, you realize that it's not as "simple" and "clear" as you're asserting. That since it's very abstract, it needs to be interpreted. Most reasonably interpreted in light of other things Jesus had to say when He preached His gospel during His ministry.
15 Jul 18
Originally posted by @thinkofoneOkay sure, it means this:
Then you should have no problem explaining exactly what you think it entails.
Not being a mind reader, I don't know exactly what YOU think it entails.
No idea why you're balking at offering an explanation when it's so
"simple" and "clear". Unless of course, you realize that it's not as "simple" and "clear" as you're asserting. That since it's ...[text shortened]... reted in light of other things Jesus had to say when He preached His gospel during His ministry.
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me"
Jesus is way, truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father but through him.
If this is confusing to you, I suggest you meditate and pray, for it is a simple truth
that speaks to a profound reality.
15 Jul 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Since there are several verses down from it, how about you put them down so we can all
Maybe you should read Jesus's explanation of what he said a few verses down, instead of putting your own meaning to it
see what it is you think changes with the text you have in mind. That way we can look at
all of this in context you think is how it should be properly looked at. Simply eluding to some
change in meaning isn't an argument or means to validate you claim.
15 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayAccording to your understanding and belief, could "comes to the Father" mean 'get' everlasting life? And could "through Me" [i.e. Jesus] mean doing the things (works, behaviour) that Jesus commanded"? So, by way of obeying those commandments and being the kind of person Jesus wanted one to be ~ through THAT ~ one can 'get' eternal life [i.e. be with "the Father"]: is that how you understand it?
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me"
Originally posted by @fmfI'm sorry you are talking to me again about spiritual matters, when you refuse to answer
According to your understanding and belief, could "comes to the Father" mean 'get' everlasting life? And could "through Me" [i.e. Jesus] mean doing the things (works, behaviour) that Jesus commanded"? So, by way of obeying those commandments and being the kind of person Jesus wanted one to be ~ through THAT ~ one can 'get' eternal life [i.e. be with "the Father"]: is that how you understand it?
my question to you about them. I've answered several of your questions while you refuse
to answer one of mine. What do you care about what Jesus said, it isn't like He matters to
you one way or another? You claimed you walked away from Him, you have rejected all
there is about Him. So my answering you about any verse is meaningless, you had 30
years of life supposedly with this and you failed to grasp it, nothing I can say is going to
alter your views, and if you did taste of the heavenly gift, and I hope not for your sake,
because if you did nothing anyone can say or do is going to change your fate.
15 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI am an agnostic atheist and I am perfectly happy to answer questions about my beliefs pertaining to spiritual matters. Why not just go with the deflection that you have already laid down: that I am a liar. Go for it. Believe it. OK, that's dealt with. Now. Do you have any questions about my agnostic atheist beliefs? Meanwhile, my question about your beliefs remains dodged. See above.
I'm sorry you are talking to me again about spiritual matters, when you refuse to answer
my question to you about them.
15 Jul 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI am not asking you to alter my views nor to change my fate. I am simply asking you questions about your beliefs and claims you have made regarding the reality in which we both live.
You had 30 years of life supposedly with this and you failed to grasp it, nothing I can say is going to alter your views, and if you did taste of the heavenly gift, and I hope not for your sake, because if you did nothing anyone can say or do is going to change your fate.