26 Sep 19
@fmf saidI am merely pointing out that integrity is totally meaningless if two contradictory statements can be considered true within a framework of moral relativism.
Do you think your riff about "contradictory definitions" gives your perception of integrity more "meaning" than Ghost of a Duke's perception of integrity?
@dj2becker saidSo you claim, but HOW do you think your riff about "two contradictory statements" gives YOUR perception of integrity MORE "meaning" than Ghost of a Duke's perception of integrity? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
I am merely pointing out that integrity is totally meaningless if two contradictory statements can be considered true within a framework of moral relativism.
@dj2becker saidLike I said, if I feel I am being trolled, then I am not interested.
Says the guy who has dodged many a question of mine.
You seem to think that babbling on about "two contradictory statements" somehow makes your personal opinions "objective" and I responded to this whole line of rhetoric in 2016 many, many times, then in 2017 many times, then a few times in 2018, and then I stopped bothering because your repetition of the riff never ever factored in the responses I was given.
Ask Question-Ignore Answer-Repeat Question, repeat ad infinitum.
You should try your thing on another poster.
26 Sep 19
@fmf saidWithin a framework of moral relativity ‘integrity’ could be defined as ‘honesty’ or ‘dishonesty’, in fact as whatever the hell you feel like. So to me the word ‘integrity’ is totally worthless within a framework of moral relativity. You are free to disagree.
So you claim, but HOW do you think your riff about "two contradictory statements" gives YOUR perception of integrity MORE "meaning" than Ghost of a Duke's perception of integrity? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
@fmf saidAs usual you seem to be missing the point.
Like I said, if I feel I am being trolled, then I am not interested.
You seem to think that babbling on about "two contradictory statements" somehow makes your personal opinions "objective" and I responded to this whole line of rhetoric in 2016 many, many times, then in 2017 many times, then a few times in 2018, and then I stopped bothering because your repetition of the riff ...[text shortened]... Ignore Answer-Repeat Question, repeat ad infinitum.
You should try your thing on another poster.
26 Sep 19
@dj2becker saidIt may well be true that your notion of integrity is meaningless. Do you demonstrate integrity when you engage me here on this forum?
Within a framework of moral relativity ‘integrity’ could be defined as ‘honesty’ or ‘dishonesty’, in fact as whatever the hell you feel like. So to me the word ‘integrity’ is totally worthless within a framework of moral relativity. You are free to disagree.
Would you not be able to demonstrate or discern honesty if it were not for your riffs about "absolute truth" and "two contradictory statements"?
If you think your notion of integrity is more meaningful than Ghost of a Duke's, how does that affect anyone except you?
@dj2becker saidNot at all. Your personal opinion about the supposed effect of your perceived "aboslute truth" on the "objectivity" of your personal opinions is entirely subjective.
As usual you seem to be missing the point.
@fmf saidI believe a non contradictory notion of integrity is more logical and meaningful than a contradictory one. You are free to hold yourself to a contradictory notion if you prefer. You are also free to be as illogical as you see fit.
It may well be true that your notion of integrity is meaningless. Do you demonstrate integrity when you engage me here on this forum?
Would you not be able to demonstrate or discern honesty if it were not for your riffs about "absolute truth" and "two contradictory statements"?
If you think your notion of integrity is more meaningful than Ghost of a Duke's, how does that affect anyone except you?
@dj2becker saidIf you think I hold myself to a "contradictory notion", I don't mind. You can say it over and over again, you can claim that your belief that I hold myself to a "contradictory notion" is "objective", I don't mind.
I believe a non contradictory notion of integrity is more logical and meaningful than a contradictory one. You are free to hold yourself to a contradictory notion if you prefer. You are also free to be as illogical as you see fit.
@fmf saidWhat if my reasons were logical rather than religious/supernatural? Does Logic appeal to you at all?
dj2becker, if you have religious/supernatural or psychological reasons for believing that Ghost of a Duke's notion of integrity is "meaningless" or "worthless", so be it. I fully accept that this is your belief. We can just agree to disagree. So, where does the discourse go from here?
@dj2becker saidI would say that all your "uses of logic" to try to establish the "objectivity" of your personal opinions about supernatural and divine matters are all subjective.
Would you say the use of logic is also subjective?
@fmf saidI actually think your notion of integrity is probably more non contradictory than you would be willing to admit for obvious reasons. And I think the idea of moral absolutism scares you for obvious reasons.
If you think I hold myself to a "contradictory notion", I don't mind. You can say it over and over again, you can claim that your belief that I hold myself to a "contradictory notion" is "objective", I don't mind.
@dj2becker saidYou cannot generate "objective" opinions about your superstitions and your speculations about unprovable things by babbling about "logic".
What if my reasons were logical rather than religious/supernatural? Does Logic appeal to you at all?