06 Apr 17
Originally posted by sonshipHave I committed any "transgressions" against you in our interactions on this thread that require "forgiveness" from your god?
[b]I am happy to imagine that there is no "transgression"
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So, you're saying that since you know it is true that others have received your transgressions, instead of acknowledging it you are happy to "imagine" it only ?
So it is more comfortable to you that such a f ...[text shortened]... your narcissistic megalomania is much more impressive than the life, words and deeds of Jesus ?[/b]
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Originally posted by apathistI don't believe that. Daniel like Joseph before him simply had this gift bestowed upon him by God. That is the gift of interpreting dreams sent to men by God.
Daniel had his wits about him, and invented stories when that seemed needed. Gotta admire his wit.
Had he been simply "clever," he could have been "clever" enough not to pray three times a day in spite of the edict of Darius. He did so fully knowing that he was risking his neck to pray during the sixty days in which no one was allowed to petition any god. See Daniel chapter six.
He could have been "clever" enough to avoid a night in the lion's den altogether.
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Originally posted by FMFSo then, you are still saying that no other transgressions are at issue except ones towards me ?
Have I committed any "transgressions" against you in our interactions on this thread that require "forgiveness" from your god?
So you are saying that God in my imagination, has no other purpose but to personally vindicate me against an innocent FMF figure, yourself ?
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07 Apr 17
The heavens were opened to Daniel to solve mysteries because his heart was so opened to God.
Daniel had every natural reason to rationalize that he couldn't care less about the promises of God. After all he too was carried away into the Babylonian captivity along with the older generation of sinners.
Like Joseph who was falsly thrown into prison yet remained totally opened to God, so Daniel had the same attitude. And God gifted him to understand dreams sent by God to these great rulers.
So much so that modern critics cannot believe that Daniel could have so perceptively seen into the future.
Originally posted by sonshipIt certainly appeared to be the tack you were taking with me earlier on this thread. The "no other purpose" thing you are tacking on is a red herring.
So you are saying that God in my imagination, has no other purpose but to personally vindicate me against an innocent FMF figure, yourself ?
Originally posted by sonshipYou are dodging my specific question which has arisen from the things you have said on this thread: Have I committed any "transgressions" against you that - you believe - require "forgiveness" from your god?
So then, you are still saying that no other transgressions are at issue except ones towards me ?
Originally posted by sonshipI asked you if this th end topic is some else's ministial idea that you have repackaged and presented as your own?
I don't believe that. [b]Daniel like Joseph before him simply had this gift bestowed upon him by God. That is the gift of interpreting dreams sent to men by God.
Had he been simply "clever," he could have been "clever" enough not to pray three times a day in spite of the edict of Darius. He did so fully knowing that he was risking his neck ...[text shortened]... pter six.
He could have been "clever" enough to avoid a night in the lion's den altogether.[/b]
It is interesting that you are avoiding my question.
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Originally posted by FMFSo you're saying that unless I precisely use the exact words and phrases that you want me to use, I am "dodging" the question ?
You are dodging my specific question which has arisen from the things you have said on this thread: Have I committed any "transgressions" against you that - you believe - require "forgiveness" from your god?
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Originally posted by divegeesterTwo views of human government can be seen. This is based upon two instances of the SAME human governments. I learned this from the Life Study of Daniel messages given by brother Witness Lee and confirmed it by my own study.
I asked you if this th end topic is some else's ministial idea that you have repackaged and presented as your own?
It is interesting that you are avoiding my question.
Other careful students of the word of God, particularly the Brethren teachers, probably noticed this also. I stand upon their shoulders in many, many things. It is good to have fellowship in this way with those who have preceded my life time.
Two visions of the four kingdoms are seen; one from the point of view of king Nebuchadrezzar in his political aspirations, and one from the standpoint of the prophet Daniel's godly standpoint.
This has helped me through the years to have a balanced appreciation of what the Bible teaches about human government. This has helped me to see the matter of politics and world government from a biblical two-sided aspect, giving adequate overview of a difficult issue.
If anyone wishes to read more about this, I advise them firstly to read through the whole book of Daniel. And in addition much profit and help can be derived from one source I highly recommend - which can be located at www.ministrybooks.org called The Life Study of Daniel by one brother Witness Lee.
Here's the first page with its Outline of the messages:
http://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=0F8082
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For further reading on Daniel's visions and interpretations:
http://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=0F8082
I am sure other confirming voices also could offer insight into Daniel. But most of all the reading of the book of Daniel itself, prayerfully and with a heart turned towards Jesus Christ and a willingness for God to shine much light on the pages, is definitely needed.
To conclude this post I quote the word written by Nebuchadnezzar himself after God had humbled him to understand God has providence over all the world's governments.
"And at the end of these days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted up my eyes to heaven, and reason returned to me; and I blessed the Most High, and I praised and honored the ever-living One;
For His dominion is an eternal dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation;
And all the inhabitants of earth are considered as nothing,
What he means is that he was TOO proud and lifted himself up in arrogance. But God humbled him and caused him for a period of time to become like a beast in the field.
"And all the inhabitants of earth are considered as nothing.
But He does according to His will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants
of the earth;
And there is no one who can resist His hand or say to Him, What are You doing?
Proud and arrogant Nebuchadnezzar was allowed by God to get a glimpse of Who was behind the rise and fall of empires. And he continued testifying to his subjects -
"At that time reason returned to me; and for the glory of my kingdom, my majesty and splendor returned to me; and my counselors and lords sought me out, and I was established in my kingdom, and surpassing greatness was added to me.
Now, I Nebuchadrezzar, praise and exalt and honor the King of the heavens, because all His works are truth and His ways justice, and because He is able to abase those who walk in pride." (See Daniel 4:34-37)
07 Apr 17
Originally posted by sonshipNo, I am saying if you repeatedly sidestep my point blank question which, after all simply arises from what you have said on this thread, then it is dodging.
So you're saying that all replies that do not agree to confirm your atheist unbelief in your Creator God and your unrepentance concerning the need for salvation, are "dodges" ?
07 Apr 17
sonship, have I committed any "transgressions" against you on this thread that - according to your beliefs - you think require "forgiveness" from your god figure? It's a yes or no question. If you answer yes, then you might want to cite the posts of mine you have in mind.