21 Nov 08
Originally posted by black beetleHow about us having a "decent" conversation then?
Is that so, KM!?
So, you in person and the Christians of your denomination are "truly born by God" Christians and therefore "righteous", whilst everybody else, which is not "truly born by God" Christian, is not righteous! Righteousness has nothing to do with one's "religion". It has to do with one's actions -the rest is pure dead delusion.
I would l ...[text shortened]... ough, or with a Hinduist or an atheist or with a Christian of another denomination
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21 Nov 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadChrist never said that we as christian that we have to be perfect. If we were perfect we would be without sin (like Jesus). So our job is not to be perfect but, to strive to be pure. What can God forgive you of if your perfect. That means you no longer sin. The Bible says that our rightousness is like a filthy rag to God. That's our rightousness not the wicked. So just strive to be pure, the perfect one (Jesus) was already here. God Bless
In another thread Zahlanzi said this:
[b]it can be argued that those are not christians. it isn't sufficient to say "i believe in Christ" to be a christian. one has to act like it as well.
and it got me thinking:
1. Are all Christians perfect in their behavior? Or can it be argued that there is nobody who fully 'acts like a Christian'?
2. What amo ...[text shortened]... ristian manner but is not doing so due to some miss-understanding, is he not a Christian?[/b]
21 Nov 08
Originally posted by realeyezActually Jesus does say this.
Christ never said that we as christian that we have to be perfect. If we were perfect we would be without sin (like Jesus). So our job is not to be perfect but, to strive to be pure. What can God forgive you of if your perfect. That means you no longer sin. The Bible says that our rightousness is like a filthy rag to God. That's our rightousness not the wicked. So just strive to be pure, the perfect one (Jesus) was already here. God Bless
Matthew 5:48
"Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
21 Nov 08
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Originally posted by twhiteheadWhat amount of unChristian behavior is required before the label "Christian" can no-longer be applied to someone?
In another thread Zahlanzi said this:
[b]it can be argued that those are not christians. it isn't sufficient to say "i believe in Christ" to be a christian. one has to act like it as well.
and it got me thinking:
1. Are all Christians perfect in their behavior? Or can it be argued that there is nobody who fully 'acts like a Christian'?
2. What amo ristian manner but is not doing so due to some miss-understanding, is he not a Christian?[/b]
I can think of three behaviors which define, more than any other behaviors, a Christian's life in general, regardless of denomination:
(1) Good works
(2) Worship
(3) Holiness (overcoming sin)
All three of these behaviors must exist in a Christian's life in order for that individual to be rightly called a "Christian," regardless of what he or she may claim to believe. Each is an adjunct of faith and evidence that the Spirit of God is at work in an individual's heart (inspiring holy and commendable activity).
If these behaviors were at one time prevalent in an individual's life and at present no longer exist, their lack cannot necessarily be said to imply that he or she is no longer a Christian, since these may ebb and flow throughout a Christian's life, i.e., they may return, if a genuine faith is present. However, if the cessation of such Christian behavior is also accompanied by a resolute denial of the Gospel and a rejection of Christian fellowship, then I think it could be said that an individual is no longer "Christian".
If someone believes in God, and Christ and believes that he is behaving in a Christian manner but is not doing so due to some miss-understanding, is he not a Christian?
It depends upon what behaviors he or she consistently manifests. Hateful behavior, for instance, is absolutely contrary to Christ's teaching. A Christian is responsible for knowing what is or is not required of him or her, thus Paul's call to examine oneself and make sure that a genuine faith is present, "for we cannot do anything against the truth" (2 Corinthians 13:8). If a healthy faith exists in the heart of an individual, he or she cannot "do anything against the truth" of scripture - consciously or unconsciously.
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21 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJayChristians have been arguing about who is one and who isn't, what they believe, how they believe, what writings to believe, and who runs the place, since Jesus died. There is no new pattern here.
Can you tell everyone how you know, who is and is not a Christian?
Is it everyone who says they are, are Christians and that is that?
Kelly
Case in point.
21 Nov 08
Originally posted by Badwaterits very simple, really it is, a christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ, and twithead you bad ol putty cat, where is my apology!
[b]Christians have been arguing about who is one and who isn't, what they believe, how they believe, what writings to believe, and who runs the place, since Jesus died. There is no new pattern here.
Case in point.[/b]
22 Nov 08
Originally posted by twhitehead"1. Are all Christians perfect in their behavior? Or can it be argued that there is nobody who fully 'acts like a Christian'?"
In another thread Zahlanzi said this:
[b]it can be argued that those are not christians. it isn't sufficient to say "i believe in Christ" to be a christian. one has to act like it as well.
and it got me thinking:
1. Are all Christians perfect in their behavior? Or can it be argued that there is nobody who fully 'acts like a Christian'?
2. What amo ...[text shortened]... ristian manner but is not doing so due to some miss-understanding, is he not a Christian?[/b]
And what would one that is perfect act like? Jesus maybe?
Only Jesus was perfect.
"2. What amount of unChristian behavior is required before the label "Christian" can no-longer be applied to someone?"
Anyone can call themself a Christian, but only those who have trusted in what Christ did at the cross on their behalf are truely Christian. No amount of sin or anything else can seperate a saved person from Christ. "Where sin did abound, grace did all the more abound." "Shall we sin therefore that grace may abound, God forbid".
"3. If you know someone who consistently behaves in an unChristian manner can you safely declare him a non-Christian?"
No. As a Christian one can either choose to "walk after the spirit" or "walk after the flesh". But walking after the flesh does not cause one to "lose" their salvation. But they will have to deal with the consequences. "God will not be mocked, what a man sows, that shall he also reap". That goes for believers as well as non-believers.
"4. If someone believes in God, and Christ and believes that he is behaving in a Christian manner but is not doing so due to some miss-understanding, is he not a Christian?"
There's no such thing as a non-Christain Christian. One is or isn't.
It is possible to bring reproach upon the name of Christ. It's a shame to think of how many people have rejected Christ because of the behaviour of someone that calls himself a Christian. The one who judges Christ on account of the conduct of a so-called Christian should reexamine the issue.
22 Nov 08
Originally posted by josephwWho are your favorite Christians on the site? Who do you respect?
[b]"1. Are all Christians perfect in their behavior? Or can it be argued that there is nobody who fully 'acts like a Christian'?"
And what would one that is perfect act like? Jesus maybe?
Only Jesus was perfect.
"2. What amount of unChristian behavior is required before the label "Christian" can no-longer be applied to someone?"
Anyone ...[text shortened]... t of the conduct of a so-called Christian should reexamine the issue.[/b]