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19 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMFI'm glad you've turned up to hold divegeester's hand, FMF. He's got himself in a right old flap.
I think you have your tongue in your cheek, surely. josephw's post on page 2 is counterattacking, forum-combat blather.
This is exactly what triggered the citing of James 4:4 ...
Thread 167360 pages 13-15
[b]Grampy Bobby: You, Sir Seitse, .... Once upon a time you were an asset to this public forum.
wolfgang59: And so were you. ...[text shortened]... hly personalized point scoring on a message board is not a proper use to which to put the Bible?[/b]
19 Feb 16
Originally posted by StartreaderI confronted josephw himself directly with my views and he responsed without denying it. Top of page two.
As I've already said, JosephW has done nothing wrong and has not said or intended what you attribute to him.
If you honestly think he meant something else, then I'd be glad to hear what it is and the rational behind it. Otherwise I have to say, I simply don't believe you.
19 Feb 16
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Originally posted by josephwJosephw it seems some Christians here are avoiding the premise in the OP by claiming you did not mean your use of James 4:4 to imply that I was an enemy of God. You seem here in this post on page two to be confirming what I said and justifying it; I would have thought that if I was wrong, you would have just said so. If I am wrong, could you kindly say so, unequivocally, and explain what is was you did mean.
You parrot the views of those self proclaimed detractors of God's Word, especially when engaging with those who believe in what the Bible says.
In the thread titled "Why Americans are fat and loud" you joined in with atheist to "insult" another Christian, which is why I made the statement, "you make strange bedfellows" and referenced James 4:4.
If you ...[text shortened]... of those that have actual Biblically based views, right alongside your unbelieving counterparts.
If I am wrong I will gladly apologise.
20 Feb 16
Originally posted by divegeesterI hasten to add that I don’t claim perfection or “sinlessness” in any of that. But it is far closer to my personal religious views (outside of some Sufis) than any claim to this or that label. I just still find it more natural to express myself within a “Christic” framework than others.
Thank you; a timely reminder when one is in the midst of disappointment and negative surprise.
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If I recall correctly, the only difference of opinion josephw and divegeester have over Christian doctrine is the Trinity. Am I right? Aside from that, josephw - like divegeester - does not believe unbelievers are tortured for eternity. I don't see any evidence of divegeester "siding with critics of [...] Christian doctrine" - as lemon lime alleged - or being "critical of those who express Christian ideas" - as roigam put it. I see disagreement between Christians. But to use the Bible to try to insult a fellow Christian one disagrees with seems awfully tawdry.
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20 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMFYes, it would be tawdry if that's what was happening.
If I recall correctly, the only difference of opinion josephw and divegeester have over Christian doctrine is the Trinity. Am I right? Aside from that, josephw - like divegeester - does not believe unbelievers are tortured for eternity. I don't see any evidence of divegeester "siding with critics of [...] Christian doctrine" - as lemon lime alleged - or being "c ...[text shortened]... ut to use the Bible to try to insult a fellow Christian one disagrees with seems awfully tawdry.
But we've already discussed this. The Bible just is, and a Christian will be only too pleased to be reminded of a passage that seems apt. The normal response would be one of thanks and prayerful consideration, not taking offence and looking for hurts.
Originally posted by StartreaderI still think that as a Christian yourself you are intellectually dishonest and a coward. If that's what you are referring to?
But Divegeester has calmed down and is so much happier now that you're here!
Doesn't that give you a warm glow inside, knowing that you've helped the poor chap?
Originally posted by StartreaderI've not taken any offence. I have no respect for josephw's posting here and therefore it means nothing to me on a personal level. I am mearly calling him out for his poor behaviour, the same way I am calling you out over yours, the same way you call me out over what you feel is my bad behaviour.
Yes, it would be tawdry if that's what was happening.
But we've already discussed this. The Bible just is, and a Christian will be only too pleased to be reminded of a passage that seems apt. The normal response would be one of thanks and prayerful consideration, not taking offence and looking for hurts.
You continuing to pretend that jospehw didn't mean what it is absolutely blatantly obvious he did mean, and which he has not denied, just emphasises how you will stoop to avoid addressing the issue.
Originally posted by StartreaderHere you are dodging the content of the post of mine you're replying to again: I talked about the actual doctrinal differences between josephw and divegeester, which are negligible. You simply dodged it.
Yes, it would be tawdry if that's what was happening.
Originally posted by StartreaderYes a classic case of the hypersensitivity of divesgeester to his own sensibilities as there ever was. Joseph has not termed divesgeester an enemy of God and the entire FMF/divesgeester ramshackle of a wagon is falling to pieces.
Yes, it would be tawdry if that's what was happening.
But we've already discussed this. The Bible just is, and a Christian will be only too pleased to be reminded of a passage that seems apt. The normal response would be one of thanks and prayerful consideration, not taking offence and looking for hurts.
Divesgeester is on record as attacking other christians when they espouse Biblical values. Here he is in the general forum attacking me for espousing the Bibles stance on homosexuality.
Captain strange - The Jehovah's Witness religion teaches its membership to believe that homosexuality is 'detestable', 'an abomination', 'abhorrent', (see Romans 1:26)
Divesgeester - That's one of the reasons I call it a dangerous pernicious cult.
http://www.timeforchess.com/forum/general/memo.166701/page-216
Oh dear! Divesgeester an enemy of God and the Bible? decide for yourselves.