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21 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMFThus not saying what you had attributed to him.
Yes, and he said that in reply to this:
[b]Recently in another forum where there was a heated exchange occurring, a Christian poster used James 4:4 to, I presume, call me spiritually adulterous and an enemy of God. I say presume, because the poster (jospehw) refused to clarify what he meant, despite repeated requests to do so.
jospehw had a chance to c ...[text shortened]... he original General Forum thread) but instead chose to run with what divegeester had put to him.[/b]
Originally posted by Startreaderjosephw cited James 4:4 and there is no dispute about what that Bible verse says and he quite deliberately made no effort to distance himself from what the verse says.
Thus not saying what you had attributed to him.
josephw was clearly trying to say pretty much the nastiest thing one Christian can say to another Christian and it was triggered by the most innocuous of General Forum exchanges.
josephw and divegeester scarcely have any differences of opinion over Christian doctrine, so the reason for josephw's attempted General Forum smackdown must be personal animosity (something josephw doesn't even try to disguise).
Originally posted by lemon limeNot true. Sorry you're mistaken. You haven't been following this clearly.
No, the charge first showed up on page 2 in one of [b]your posts.[/b]
It's supposedly your response to a charge, but I don't see how it can be since it first came from you. You are clearly the author of a charge that didn't exist until you fabricated it from the cavernous depths of your mind...
It is from James 4:4 that we get reference to "adulterous people", "friendship with the world" means "enmity against God" and being "an enemy of God". It's a bit silly to even insinuate that I have somehow fabricated the fact that josephw deliberately aimed this particular Bible verse at divegeester, and even more silly to suggest that it was me who aimed this calculated insult (as I see it) at divegeeter.
21 Feb 16
Originally posted by divegeesterI think, with some Christians, it's simply part and parcel of both their faith's effect on their outlook and character, and their method of asserting themselves while professing that faith. Did the author of James 4:4 really intend his writing about "enmity against God" to be brandished by furtive, passive aggressive self-identifying Christians as a response to a bit of General Forum banter here at this chess website? No, of course not. It is a wholly improper use for the Bible.
What people's thoughts are on using the Bible in this way?
21 Feb 16
Originally posted by lemon limeHere is what Robbie carrobie said:
He wants you to admit it was you who made that charge against yourself.
"When will divesgeester appear to address these concerns and attempt to exonerate himself of the charge of 'an enemy of God'?"
jospehw has made the charge, he reinforced his reasons on page 2 and Robbie has confirmed it by saying I need to exonerate myself from this charge.
21 Feb 16
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Originally posted by lemon limeNo the charge first showed up in the memo thread when josephw posted James 4:4 at me in a cheap effort to land a blow for quipping with Wolfgang59 about Grampy Bobby's repeated copy/paste.
No, the charge first showed up on page 2 in one of [b]your posts. It's supposedly your response to a charge, but I don't see how it can be since it first came from you. You are clearly the author of a charge that didn't exist until you fabricated it from the cavernous depths of your mind...[/b]
Since then jospehw and all the other cowardly Christians have been furtively trying to avoid addressing what Joseph meant. Not one of them, including you, has the courage of their convictions to unequivocally say wether or not they think I am an enemy of God as per the James 4:4 scripture. All I'm doing is pressing you and them on the point, nothing more.
This thread is calling out jospehw and indeed all the other Christians in this thread for using and cheapening scripture to score points on the internet. The only defence you all have is to dishonestly pretend that James 4:4 is not about being an enemy of God. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
21 Feb 16
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Originally posted by FMFI find the dishonestly exhibited by fellow Christians in this thread to be quite depressing to be honest.
I think, with some Christians, it's simply part and parcel of both their faith's effect on their outlook and character, and their method of asserting themselves while professing that faith. Did the author of James 4:4 really intend his writing about "enmity against God" to be brandished by furtive, passive aggressive self-identifying Christians as a response to ...[text shortened]... banter here at this chess website? No, of course not. It is a wholly improper use for the Bible.
21 Feb 16
Originally posted by FMF...silly to suggest that it was me who aimed this calculated insult (as I see it) at divegeeter.
Not true. Sorry you're mistaken. You haven't been following this clearly.
[b]It's supposedly your response to a charge, but I don't see how it can be since it first came from you. You are clearly the author of a charge that didn't exist until you fabricated it from the cavernous depths of your mind...
It is from James 4:4 that we get reference to "adul ...[text shortened]... re silly to suggest that it was me who aimed this calculated insult (as I see it) at divegeeter.[/b]
Then why are you suggesting it? You were obviously aiming your so called 'charge' at joseph. So now you feel the need to misrepresent what I have been saying? Wo, I didn't see that coming!
Just kidding, of course I saw it coming...
21 Feb 16
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Originally posted by lemon limeWhy don't you ask josephw? After all he is the one who cited James 4:4 at me.
Would you feel happier if you could continue disparaging your "fellow Christians" unchallenged?
The difference between us is that no matter what I think of you or the other Christians here in terms of your posting content, I will never use scripture against you to call you (someone who has accepted Christ's sacrifice) an enemy of him.
Edit: when it comes to being disparaged, my profile contains a précis of the names I've been called by other Christians here.
21 Feb 16
Originally posted by divegeesterYou have deliberately misrepresented a passage from the Bible in order to misrepresent what a "fellow Christian" said to you.
Why don't you ask josephw? After all he is the one who cited James 4:4 at me.
The difference between us is that no matter what I think of you or the others in terms of your posting here, I will never use scripture against you to call you (someone who has accepted Christ's sacrifice) an enemy of him.
Edit: when it comes to being disparaged, my profile contains a précis of the names I've been called by other Christians here.
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Originally posted by FMF
josephw cited James 4:4 which is where the phrase "an enemy of God" comes from.
Orginally posted by lemon lime
Okay, I looked it up and it says "...whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." But to understand what is meant by "friend of the world" it's better to start reading from James 4:1. You narrowed it down to "an enemy of God", and referred to it as a condemnation.
But it's not a condemnation... it's obviously a warning directed toward people James regarded as Christian, albeit new and/or naive Christians. And btw if you take a closer look at James 4:4, you can see that it says "...makes himself an enemy of God".