17 Dec 19
@sonship saidI am not "above it all" and have never said any such thing. I express my opinions. "Pushing" what? "Act"? What "act"? Is every single poster in the community, past and present, a "propagandist" in your view?
The "I'm above it all" act concerning pushing your beliefs is not genuine.
17 Dec 19
I am not a "propagandist", sonship. I am not a self-styled teacher nor a preacher, I don't belong to a group or organization, I don't post other people's writing, I don't disseminate a doctrine or a dogma, I don't post video clips of people who agree with me, I don't copy paste massive banks of text from books that promote a particular ideology. I just share my ideas.
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None of this stuff disqualifies you.
I am not a "propagandist", sonship.
Hmm!
I am not a self-styled teacher nor a preacher,
I don't know what a "self styled" teacher is. If it is meant to sound like a no-no, I can't imagine why.
"Self styled" or "other styled" - I don't know how that disqualifies you from being the propagandist I think you are. If it means you have no style or no "self style" I would disagree.
You're not above having a "self style."
I don't belong to a group or organization,
That matters not.
Propagandists can be "free-lance" too.
Being above being in an organization or group means nothing.
Boasting of no association doesn't make your agenda go away.
I don't post other people's writing,
That is no qualifying guarantee you are not a propagandist.
You're "I'm SO above all other propagandists" doesn't disqualify you.
Lots of preachers and propogandizers like to fancy themselves as in a particular unique brand - not like others.
Lots of door to door salesmen first try to insist that they are different from other salespersons and their product is different from anything else.
I don't disseminate a doctrine or a dogma,
You say so. But it doesn't disqualify you from having your style of pushing your agnostic / atheist agenda.
Try as you may to assure us you're so different, you are still a propagandist.
And if you had no dogma and no doctrines you would provide LINKS a for people to get clarification.
Ie. Like Go read all about what Agnostic / Atheism is, sonship.
But Oh No! FMF is above dogma and doctrine, You wish.
I don't post video clips of people who agree with me, I don't copy paste massive banks of text from books that promote a particular ideology. I just share my ideas.
So you have your own style. Big deal. So you fancy yourself to be freelance, individualistic, a non-member, without reference books, dictionaries, links.
You're just a zealot for atheism dealing out propaganda for your (often) anti-theist worldview. Your sterile "O So Above It All" facade doesn't conceal your agenda and dedication to spread your ideas.
17 Dec 19
@sonship saidIs every single poster in the community, past and present, a "propagandist" in your view?
@FMF
None of this stuff disqualifies you.
I am not a "propagandist", sonship.
Hmm!
I am not a self-styled teacher nor a preacher,
I don't know what a "self styled" teacher is. If it is meant to sound like a no-no, I can't imagine why.
"Self styled" or "other styled" - I don't know how that disqualifies you from being the ...[text shortened]... sterile "O So Above It All" facade doesn't conceal your agenda and dedication to spread your ideas.
17 Dec 19
@sonship saidWhat is your definition of "propagandist" that differentiates someone ~ whom you say is one ~ from an ordinary poster expressing their opinions?
So you have your own style. Big deal. So you fancy yourself to be freelance, individualistic, a non-member, without reference books, dictionaries, links.
17 Dec 19
@sonship saidI have no dogma and I have no doctrines. I don't need to offer any clarification about any dogma or doctrines. I don't have any links to any dogma or doctrines. There is no dogma or doctrine that I am spreading. My "agenda" here is to contribute to debates and discussions.
And if you had no dogma and no doctrines you would provide LINKS a for people to get clarification.
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I have no dogma and I have no doctrines. I don't need to offer any clarification about any dogma or doctrines. I don't have any links to any dogma or doctrines. There is no dogma or doctrine that I am spreading. My "agenda" here is to contribute to debates and discussions.
If I said that you have concepts that NO ONE has ever had before, I bet you would point to others who taught them.
You would affirm concordance with other thinkers who have taught your matters before.
Let's test it.
FMF, nobody has ever said before that Atheism is a "lack of belief" in gods or god.
If you reach for something to prove that that is an well articulated position which others have had, then that's you looking for confirmation in doctrine and in dogma.
17 Dec 19
@sonship saidI think my position is well-articulated.
Let's test it.
FMF, nobody has ever said before that Atheism is a "lack of belief" in gods or god.
If you reach for something to prove that that is an well articulated position which others have had, then that's you looking for confirmation in doctrine and in dogma.
I don't reach for something to prove that that is a well-articulated position which others have had.
I don't look for confirmation in doctrine and in dogma.
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Doesn't everybody on a forum like this "spread" their ideas if they choose to share them publicly?
Some here are passing comedians showing off their ability to make satire and wisecracks. You're serious about putting forth dogmas of new atheism.
You'd like to imagine yourself to be unique as not having a consistent dogmatic worldview to teach.
Dogma -
Dogma definition, an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church. See more.
The phrase "as of church" doesn't exclude atheists.
Humanists and agnostic / atheists can be dogmatic.
When you insist that there is only a "god ideology" it is a dogmatic statement.
It is a matter you consider so self evident that it is put forth as an authoritative principle and tenet of your worldview.
Dogma according to Betrand Russell
2. A principle or statement of ideas, or a group of such principles or statements, especially when considered to be authoritative or accepted uncritically: "Much education consists in the instilling of unfounded dogmas in place of a spirit of inquiry" (Bertrand Russell).
Your view of the reason for the execution of Jesus - dogmatic.
Ie. the Romans executed Jesus for political insurrection - dogmatic
Your view of the history of the formation of the Christian church, legends spun long after the events of Christ's death - dogmatic.
17 Dec 19
@sonship saidThis doesn't apply to the personal opinions that I post.
Dogma according to Betrand Russell2. A principle or statement of ideas, or a group of such principles or statements, especially when considered to be authoritative or accepted uncritically: "Much education consists in the instilling of unfounded dogmas in place of a spirit of inquiry" (Bertrand Russell).
17 Dec 19
@sonship saidThe personal opinions about faith, morals, behaviour, etc. that I share on this message board are not "an official system" of anything.
Dogma -Dogma definition, an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church. See more.
"Official"?
"An official system"?
17 Dec 19
@sonship said"Authoritative"?
When you insist that there is only a "god ideology" it is a dogmatic statement.
It is a matter you consider so self evident that it is put forth as an authoritative principle and tenet of your worldview.
You mean I come across as quite confident about my personal opinions, and they are reasonably well thought out, is that what you mean?