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Originally posted by KellyJaySo, when God spoke of people acting in accordance with what was written on their hearts, He didn't actually believe He was speaking to anyone?!
People didn't obey the 10 Commandments when they were written on stone, they do not
do it either when written on our hearts. Anyone recall how that first Commandment went?
Are Atheist obeying that one, even if its written on their hearts?
27 May 17
Originally posted by Rajk999You said previously that a Christian won't get into heaven (or whatever) if they don't do the right things, and an atheist will if they do.
Basically Im saying that Christians [ie professed followers of Christ], do not have a monopoly on Christ neither exclusive right to enter into the Kingdom of God. How do you conclude that Im saying that Christ is pointless?
The only thing that is pointless is professing ones belief in Christ without continuing a life of good works and righteous living. Th ...[text shortened]... not be cast into eternal torment as many believe. They will be judged and rewarded accordingly.
Sounds like there is no point in Christ paying for all sin.
27 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterChrist did not pay for all sin. Christ paid for sins that are PAST. If someone accept Christ and then continues with a life of sin / sin wilfully, then he is in grave danger. It is better if they did not know Christ than to know Christ and reject Him by continuing to sin.
You said previously that a Christian won't get into heaven (or whatever) if they don't do the right things, and an atheist will if they do.
Sounds like there is no point in Christ paying for all sin.
Originally posted by divegeesterThats ok pal. We are not here to like each other. We are here to discuss matters pertaining to Christianity with the hope that we can better understand the truth as stated in the Bible.
I do like you, but as what your believe gradually seeps out over time, I realise why we will never see eye to eye.
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:25 KJV)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:25-26 KJV)
There is a lot of forgiving and repentance going on, but the Christian cannot take that for granted and think that will last forever. There is a limit.
But I do like you as well. We certainly see eye to eye on some matters.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou are not following along, even if you start acting a 100% proper today, what do you
So, when God spoke of people acting in accordance with what was written on their hearts, He didn't actually believe He was speaking to anyone?!
do with all of those things you didn't do right earlier? Our lives will be brought into account,
all of our lives, only God's grace gives us a shot, otherwise we are going to die in our sins.
edit:
Read the passage, it doesn't say that they will be made righteous by having the law
written in their hearts! It says that, "...while their conscience also bears witness, and their
conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them..." If you conscience isn't completely
clean, your guilty.
God's Judgment and the Law
Romans 2
12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
27 May 17
Originally posted by Rajk999Your belief that Christ only died for past sins is a sad and gross error.
Thats ok pal. We are not here to like each other. We are here to discuss matters pertaining to Christianity with the hope that we can better understand the truth as stated in the Bible.
[i]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance o ...[text shortened]... er. There is a limit.
But I do like you as well. We certainly see eye to eye on some matters.
27 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterWell I go with what the Bible says. Here it is again:
Your belief that Christ only died for past sins is a sad and gross error.
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:25 KJV)
I have seen many Christians write that Christ died for sins past present and future. But that just is not in the Bible.
That point is further driven home by several statements which state that you just cannot accept Christ and then continue with a sinful lifestyle. Christ therefore did not die to allow someone to continue with sinning over and over ie for ALL THEIR SINS.
Anyway God will judge who has the sad and gross error.
Originally posted by KellyJayEnglish Comprehension .. take a course in it.. its a very important subject
You are not following along, even if you start acting a 100% proper today, what do you
do with all of those things you didn't do right earlier? Our lives will be brought into account,
all of our lives, only God's grace gives us a shot, otherwise we are going to die in our sins.
edit:
Read the passage, it doesn't say that they will be made righteous ...[text shortened]... them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
Community colleges and other schools all over the world teach people to understand simple English.
Originally posted by Rajk999So what happens if you sin tomorrow?
Well I go with what the Bible says. Here it is again:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of [b]SINS THAT ARE PAST through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:25 KJV)
I have seen many Christians write that Christ died for sins past present and future. But that ...[text shortened]... over and over ie for ALL THEIR SINS.
Anyway God will judge who has the sad and gross error.[/b]
And does the past stop and the future begin?
Edit: you are, or were a catholic I presume?
But if we are building doctrines based on one scripture:
Hebrews 10: 11--13
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
KJV
27 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterJesus is there to forgive sins, and chances are that a person may have all his sins forgiven provided he is repentant. I dont know these things only Jesus can judge people.
So what happens if you sin tomorrow?
And does the past stop and the future begin?
Edit: you are, or were a catholic I presume?
However to claim that all of ones sins [past present and future] are forgiven is not correct and it is not in the Bible. Particularly when the Bible says otherwise so very clearly.
27 May 17
Originally posted by divegeesterOne sacrifice for all of mankind, for all time, as a whole.
But if we are building doctrines based on one scripture:
Hebrews 10: 11--13
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered [b]one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
KJV[/b]
Individually Christ will judge people. The Apostles were clear that you cannot continue on with willful sin.