What does Jesus want from us?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Thats an even better one ..LOL 😀

Boy o boy .. you are definitely a lost soul floundering in false doctrines up to you neck if you can state that..... which by the way is an insult to Jesus Christ that you claim to believe ...

It is an honest question, do you believe anyone filled with the Spirit of God speaks for
God and if they do the truth they give is less than what Jesus said?

Originally posted by Rajk999
You said ... [b]Those that love and obey Him, Again who are those who love and obey him according to the passages I quoted? Hint : Those who follow His ... [What] ?

All of the teachings of Jesus is centered around the same doctrine "follow my teachings and you will get eternal life". Here they are again:

[i]Matt 19:17 .. IF thou wilt enter into ...[text shortened]... NAL for entry into the Kingdom of God... so says Jesus Christ .. argue with Him if you disagree.[/b]

Do you know what this verse is talking about?
Eph 3:2-3
if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
NKJV

NT:3622
oikonomia
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

The word is oikonomia, look it up....


Oikonomia (also spelled oikonomeia, economia or economy) literally means "household management," the "law of the house," or "house building," and refers primarily to two related concepts in the Orthodox Church—the divine plan for man's salvation and the specific episcopal application of the canons in the life of the Church. The latter usage is a derivation of the former. https://orthodoxwiki.org/Oikonomia

Dispensationalism is a systematic theology that recognizes distinct “economies” in the outworking of God’s purposes on earth. [1] That is, it recognizes that God relates to mankind in different ways at different times. This understanding is in part based upon the Greek word oikonomia, which is often translated “dispensation” in the KJV. [2] Oikonomia means “managing or administering the affairs of a household.” God, therefore, is the householder, and entrusts stewardship or administrational responsibilities to men throughout the various “ages.” Man’s failure to uphold these responsibilities has caused God to keep revising His relationship with mankind, and adjusting what He has required of him.

Dispensationalism is grounded in the biblical truth that there are only three distinct groups of human beings on earth today—Jew, Gentile and the Church of God, a.k.a “the Body of Christ” or “Christians” (1 Cor. 10:32)—and recognizes God’s various ways of dealing with each.

http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-is-dispensationalism

If you were to study this, it would go a long way in understanding key points in the bible.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm going to answer your post with scripture don't worry.

Im waiting but I know you cannot. You know why?
I know all the verses you are going to quote and I know that churches have twisted the words of Paul so that they are completely alien to the words of Jesus.

So Im waiting.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is an honest question, do you believe anyone filled with the Spirit of God speaks for
God and if they do the truth they give is less than what Jesus said?

Judas Iscariot and Ananias and Saphira were all filled with the Spirit of God in case you did not know that.

Filled with the Spirit of God is no guarantee that the person so filled will please God and no guarantee that that person will live a righteous life.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Judas Iscariot and Ananias and Saphira were all filled with the Spirit of God in case you did not know that.

Filled with the Spirit of God is no guarantee that the person so filled will please God and no guarantee that that person will live a righteous life.

I did not ask if they pleased God please stay on topic.

Do you believe Peter knew what he was talking about here?

2 Peter 1:21
for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Do you know what this verse is talking about?
[b]Eph 3:2-3
if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
NKJV

NT:3622
oikonomia
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International B ...[text shortened]... m

If you were to study this, it would go a long way in understanding key points in the bible.[/b]

Im really not interested in your church dogma. Im interested in the teachings of Jesus Christ because that is what gives eternal life. But I know that you said that you have eternal life already [probably given to you by your church] so ... go in peace pal.

But I will read your post and I will reply... it may be that Christ will hold it against me if I do not educate you.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I did not ask if they pleased God please stay on topic.

How about if you focus on finding those references that you threatened to get me?

Originally posted by Rajk999
How about if you focus on finding those references that you threatened to get me?

I'm going to, but you made a difference between those men who wrote the OT and the NT
and Jesus and I wanted to know why.

You believe a truth given to us by a man filled with God's Spirit speaking for God is not the
same as Jesus sharing that truth since both messages come from God?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm going to, but you made a difference between those men who wrote the OT and the NT
and Jesus and I wanted to know why.

Who is the Son of God?
Who was sent to save mankind from their sins?
Who is the way the truth and the light?
Who is greater than the prophets?
Who is the righteous judge of all people?
Who is the mediator between God and men?

There is a reference for each of those.

But somehow I dont think you care for eternal life. You care about Christianity .. not Christ.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Who is the Son of God?
Who was sent to save mankind from their sins?
Who is the way the truth and the light?
Who is greater than the prophets?
Who is the righteous judge of all people?
Who is the mediator between God and men?

There is a reference for each of those.

But somehow I dont think you care for eternal life. You care about Christianity .. not Christ.

You must be confused.

I'm not asking who is greater!
Not asking who is the Son of God!
Not asking who was sent to save us from our sins.
Not asking if Jesus was greater than the prophets.
Not asking who is the way the truth and the light.
Not asking who is the righteous judge of all people.
Not asking who is the mediator between God and man.

Simple question, if God shares truth with us through someone filled with the Spirit of
God or Jesus shares it, is the truth shared less than?

Both come from God do they not?

Originally posted by KellyJay
You must be confused.

I'm not asking who is greater!
Not asking who is the Son of God!
Not asking who was sent to save us from our sins.
Not asking if Jesus was greater than the prophets.
Not asking who is the way the truth and the light.
Not asking who is the righteous judge of all people.
Not asking who is the mediator between God and man.

Sim ...[text shortened]... it of
God or Jesus shares it, is the truth shared less than?

Both come from God do they not?

If that person who you believe to the filled with the Spirit of God says something that is contrary to the teachings of Jesus, WHO IS GREATER THAN ALL PROPHETS, then it is either that person is a false teacher or your interpretation is wrong.

Jesus is the sole authority. I have pointed out crystal clear passages to you from the teachings of Christ and yet you ignore them and you continue to argue.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Do you know what this verse is talking about?
[b]Eph 3:2-3
if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
NKJV

NT:3622
oikonomia
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International B ...[text shortened]... m

If you were to study this, it would go a long way in understanding key points in the bible.[/b]

I know what that verse is talking about but apparently you and your cut and paste church do not.

Paul says what the new dispensation is about a couple verses down. read it:

.. Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: (Ephesians 3:5-6 KJV)

The new dispensation is the bringing in of the Gentiles as fellowheirs with the Jews. In other words ALL PEOPLE ARE NOW UNDER JESUS CHRIST.

Originally posted by Rajk999
If that person who you believe to the filled with the Spirit of God says something that is contrary to the teachings of Jesus, WHO IS GREATER THAN ALL PROPHETS, then it is either that person is a false teacher or your interpretation is wrong.

Jesus is the sole authority. I have pointed out crystal clear passages to you from the teachings of Christ and yet you ignore them and you continue to argue.

You are not following along very well.

If God tells us something through someone filled with the Spirit of God is that less than
if God tells us something through Jesus Christ?

Originally posted by Rajk999
If that person who you believe to the filled with the Spirit of God says something that is contrary to the teachings of Jesus, WHO IS GREATER THAN ALL PROPHETS, then it is either that person is a false teacher or your interpretation is wrong.

Jesus is the sole authority. I have pointed out crystal clear passages to you from the teachings of Christ and yet you ignore them and you continue to argue.

I'm not ignoring anything, that would be you.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are not following along very well.

If God tells us something through someone filled with the Spirit of God is that less than
if God tells us something through Jesus Christ?

Im waiting on the references that you promised.