What does Jesus want from us?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Clearly you dont understand the meaning of the word simplistic. The word is derived from the word simple and simplistic means that a process which is complicated is reduced to a simple or trivial process and the person doing this removes many related processes.

Your version of what Christ requires of people is to believe in him with your mouth and you wil ...[text shortened]... ie love God and love thy neighbour and this is a lifelong process... and far more complicated.

I grasp the word simplistic, not the issue.

I think you have an issue with God not us when you suggest that our belief and faith are
not what God wants. No doubt that when we act on our faith, by act live out our lives we
will be doing the will of God. Scripture is very clear that 1 Peter 1: 2 "...sanctifying work of
the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:..." that it is God's
work in us that is important making us obedient to Jesus Christ. While your doctrine which
opposes that would have people believe you can work for God's grace. If you do not have
God's Spirit you do not belong to God, so those works without God's Spirit will not be
works Gods looks at to justify anyone.

A life long process yes, but not a life long process to be accepted by God. In the end our
walk with God will play out in our whole lives yes. In the end on judgment day those that
obeyed the Lord will be saved, but by God's grace and mercy. No one can even do the
works God has for us without God's Spirit, what you suggest is anyone with good works
is going to be saved, but we are not saved by our works.

The salvation of God is simple, you only make it complicated because you don't grasp
how simple it really is.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Christ lives in those who follow his commandments. Read what Christ says :

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and no ...[text shortened]... r turn ... please quote the Bible where it says this : [i].. Christ lives in those He saves

I like the one you used, "...and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

You really do reject God living in us in the here and now not sure why it is the best part of
being a Christian. You either have God's Spirit in you or you do not belong to God it is
very simple.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I like the one you used, "...and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

You really do reject God living in us in the here and now not sure why it is the best part of
being a Christian. You either have God's Spirit in you or you do not belong to God it is
very simple.

You did not answer the quesiion. I asked you to provide a reference for your statement :

Christ lives in those He saves

Do you have one?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I grasp the word simplistic, not the issue.

I think you have an issue with God not us when you suggest that our belief and faith are
not what God wants. No doubt that when we act on our faith, by act live out our lives we
will be doing the will of God. Scripture is very clear that 1 Peter 1: 2 "...sanctifying work of
the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesu ...[text shortened]... of God is simple, you only make it complicated because you don't grasp
how simple it really is.

You dont understand what I say at all .. so lets not bother

Originally posted by KellyJay
I like the one you used, "...and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

You really do reject God living in us in the here and now not sure why it is the best part of
being a Christian. You either have God's Spirit in you or you do not belong to God it is
very simple.

I do not understand .. what do you mean that you like this one?

Is this one you like in support of your statement that Jesus lives in those he saves?

If that is the case then you are sadly mistaken and deluded because that passage is not supporting your doctrine at all.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You did not answer the quesiion. I asked you to provide a reference for your statement :

[b]Christ lives in those He saves

Do you have one?[/b]

I gave you an answer I used the scripture you provided, there are others, but you had
a good one so I used it.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You dont understand what I say at all .. so lets not bother

Running off again, typical.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I gave you an answer I used the scripture you provided, there are others, but you had
a good one so I used it.

You did not answer the quesiion. I asked you to provide a reference for your statement :

Christ lives in those He saves

Do you have one?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Running off again, typical.

You did not answer the quesiion. I asked you to provide a reference for your statement :

Christ lives in those He saves

Do you have one?

Originally posted by Rajk999
You did not answer the quesiion. I asked you to provide a reference for your statement :

[b]Christ lives in those He saves

Do you have one?[/b]

Asking the question twice when you already were given an answer seems a bit odd to me.
I pointed out the very scripture you used has a reference in it to that effect.
I'll give you more shortly, though I doubt you'll see it as you only seem to see things with
blinders on that only accept things that agree with your point of view.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Asking the question twice when you already were given an answer seems a bit odd to me.
I pointed out the very scripture you used has a reference in it to that effect.
I'll give you more shortly, though I doubt you'll see it as you only seem to see things with
blinders on that only accept things that agree with your point of view.

Its not a matter of point of view. Its what Jessus Christ said.
Please quote the scripture where Jesus said that he lives in those he saves.
The scripture I quote said something else.
Can you not read?

Here it is again:

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (John 14:21-23 KJV)

Christ is saying that those who keep his commandments, its is those people who love Christ.
And it is THEN that He will make his abode with you.

The truth is that the Bible says nothing along these lines:

Christ lives in those He saves

NOTHING!! .. that is a fabrication of your church.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Its not a matter of point of view. Its what Jessus Christ said.
Please quote the scripture where Jesus said that he lives in those he saves.
The scripture I quote said something else.
Can you not read?

Here it is again:

[i]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and ...[text shortened]...
[b]Christ lives in those He saves

NOTHING!! .. that is a fabrication of your church.[/b]

Where does John 3:15 fit into that?

"...that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him."

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Where does John 3:15 fit into that?

"...that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him."

The teachings of Christ cannot be understood properly by taking one sentence and isolating it from the rest of what He said.

In the thread which I started 'Ifs, Thens and Butts', I quoted several passages where Jesus said the same thing over and over so there can be no doubt as to its proper meaning.

the problem with that passage you quoted from John 3: 15, you need to understand what is meant by 'believe'.

What do yo think 'believe' means in general usage?
What do you think Jesus means by 'believe'?

Jesus said this:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21 KJV)

This means that there are people who will claim to believe in Jesus but not everyone that does that will get eternal life. Belief is not by the mouth but in the heart and this is what is needed to change the person from their old ways to the new person that is in Christ. Belief therefore means believing in the teachings of Christ and following these teachings as Christ explained so often.

Originally posted by Rajk999
What utter fabricated nonsense.

Where did the bible say that the woman represents the Holy Spirit?

Where did the Bible say that the man searching for the sheep is the Son of God?

And thus we see the wisdom of Jesus to speak in parables.

Those who understand Jesus, get it.

Those who don't, don't.

And that goes double for those who substitute worshipping the Word of God, for actually worshipping the presence of Jesus in their lives.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Its not a matter of point of view. Its what Jessus Christ said.
Please quote the scripture where Jesus said that he lives in those he saves.
The scripture I quote said something else.
Can you not read?

Here it is again:

[i]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and ...[text shortened]...
[b]Christ lives in those He saves

NOTHING!! .. that is a fabrication of your church.[/b]

"...and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him"

Sounds to me like God will come unto those that belong to Him and make God's abode
with him.