Originally posted by @galveston75Oh no we are not talking about a lifeless energy are we? We are talking about God's energy and one that he directs and uses to do his will.
Oh no we are not talking about a lifeless energy are we? We are talking about God's energy and one that he directs and uses to do his will.
So comparing it to a random bolt of lightning is not even close.
As humans we would yes, have a hard time understanding the power God has and all his abilities and all that he can do. My gosh just look into space ...[text shortened]... oes. If his power has wisdom, then it does. Who are we to doubt what his power or spirit can do.
So comparing it to a random bolt of lightning is not even close.
It is an energy so powerful that, by and large, Christians are no more moral than non-Christians.
Its evident that there is something really amiss with your conception of how things actually work.
07 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75So his spirit is not a person but has a personality? 🙄
If Jehovah says his spirit has a personality, it does. If his power has wisdom, then it does. Who are we to doubt what his power or spirit can do.
By the way you say this a lot “who are we to question god”; herein lies the problem with many religionists...WE are the creation, it is our duty to question God, to challenge him as best we can. God hates kiss-asses.
07 Feb 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYes I do agree with you on that. If anyone no matter who including even if it's a JW, and if the parents of the victim want to get the police involved, I'm all in for the wicked one who did this to face the music.
Yes, that’s probalby why your leaders got found out for molesting children. Well done jehovah.
Now what your completely missing, which is hard to believe seeing how you still bring this up and it's been discussed over, and over, and over again is talked about in this scripture. Are you listening? Get your bible out and read this slowly.....
Acts 20:29...".I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness,"
So are you getting it yet? Do you grasp what this and other scriptures like it are warning that WILL HAPPEN within his own peoples?
So now what would you like for me to do? Would you like me to call them and says "hey, since we've had some wicked and sick people come into our congregations and do this awful thing..lets shut it down, now! No more JW's or Kingdom Halls!!!! "
Is that what you think should be done? Well OK, but now we shut down everything else on the planet that has had people that have abused children in a sexual way, then lets do that too. If your going to shut down the JW's, then we have to do it to all churches, schools, work places, Hollywood and it's directors, neighbors, politicians, city officials, presidents and Kings and others that have done this sick action.
If your going to point your finger at the JW's, then you have to point the other fingers at most of the world because it happens every where dude.
So if you think that ones who calls themselves God's people can never be bad or imperfect or have wicked ones from the world come in among them and do these bad things, you are really simple and need to wake up..............
Originally posted by @divegeesterLol. Just miss it by a little all the time don't you?
So his spirit is not a person but has a personality? 🙄
By the way you say this a lot “who are we to question god”; herein lies the problem with many religionists...WE are the creation, it is our duty to question God, to challenge him as best we can. God hates kiss-asses.
My, my.... Ok. Yes we question God on many things. That's how we learn stuff. Got that part?
My saying "who are we to question God" means that we are so little and insignificant compared to him that one has to be a fool to challenge him on our puny knowledge and how mighty we think we are, which we are not at all. Got that part now?
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75Condemn the organization for its child rapist enabling culture, condemn its leaders, its officials, and the shocking, ghastly systematic institutional cover-ups in thousands of cases over decades, instead of wittering on about some "wolves" - the symbol of 'loners', rather than "hyenas", the symbol of pack aggression against perceived enemies and prey. Members of the Catholic Church who tried to defend what their organization did by downplaying the enormity of the abuse and cover-ups by wittering on about some "wolves" would be held in contempt.
So now what would you like for me to do?
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @fmfIn reality it has not been thousands and the problem cases that have happened are not even in the same universe of the problems the Catholics have had.
Condemn the organization for its child rapist enabling culture, condemn its leaders, its officials, and the shocking, ghastly systematic institutional cover-ups in thousands of cases over decades, instead of wittering on about some "wolves" - the symbol of 'loners', rather than "hyenas", the symbol of pack aggression against perceived enemies and prey. Members ...[text shortened]... ormity of the abuse and cover-ups by wittering on about some "wolves" would be held in contempt.
"A child rapist enabling culture? Really?"
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75How many child rapists and child sex abusers did the Australian JW organization tell the police about between 1950 and 2000? None. That's the answer - out of over a 1,000 known serious cases. How many did they wash their hands of and kick out into the community without telling the police that they had done so, not to mention warning the community? How many families were pressured not to go to the police? How many child molesters is your organization shielding now?
"A child rapist enabling culture? Really?"
Originally posted by @galveston75As a proportion of your membership? Are you sure?
In reality it has not been thousands and the problem cases that have happened are not even in the same universe of the problems the Catholics have had.
"It has not been thousands"
Did you not follow the recent Royal Commission in Australia?
That was just one relatively small country. How many countries do you have branches in? How many decades has your organization been hiding things [like it did in Australia] in all those countries?
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75You always seem to think I call out you, and just JWs. Of my posting in this forum my interactions with you these days is about 1%.
Yes I do agree with you on that. If anyone no matter who including even if it's a JW, and if the parents of the victim want to get the police involved, I'm all in for the wicked one who did this to face the music.
Now what your completely missing, which is hard to believe seeing how you still bring this up and it's been discussed over, and over, and ...[text shortened]... e in among them and do these bad things, you are really simple and need to wake up..............
I’m really really not interested in your condescensions and biblical text barbs Galveston75, for years you have been setting out your religious organisation to be the sole voice of God’s truth on earth, a beautiful special people who alone will inherit the kingdom. When in fact your church is led by some deeply flawed people who have been committing criminal acts. Not all of them of course, but there is/was a strategic move to cover up this stuff. And yes I will keep bringing it up when you try to position yourself and your church as this special place with a special bible and special knowledge. It isn’t.
What do I want you to do? What a great question. I would like to see you free of the cultish clamp that keeps you entrenched in that organisation, I’d like to hear about you have challenged the leadership from within to change policy, change leadership.
If your going to point your finger at the JW's, then you have to point the other fingers at most of the world because it happens every where dude.
What a sad but honest reflection on the state of your church. If you can turn this insight into a motivation to seek God independently I would be so happy for you.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75If it makes you feel better about yourself, your doctrines and your eggshell belief structure you have allowed yourself to be encased in, then yes, let’s say “LOL... [sic] I miss it by a little all the time”
Lol. Just miss it by a little all the time don't you?
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75I am aware that JWs are not permitted/discouraged from reading material which throws the organisation into a negative perspective and I suspect that this pressure placed upon you to not read the Australian Royal Commission report is what drives this ignorance of what’s going on in your own church.
In reality it has not been thousands and the problem cases that have happened are not even in the same universe of the problems the Catholics have had.
"A child rapist enabling culture? Really?"
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @galveston75Your contempt and sneering has no effect on me Galveston75.
My, my.... Ok. Yes we question God on many things. That's how we learn stuff. Got that part?
My saying "who are we to question God" means that we are so little and insignificant compared to him that one has to be a fool to challenge him on our puny knowledge and how mighty we think we are, which we are not at all. Got that part now?
I have a different perspective of God than you, I look at scriptures such as “Come let us reason together” Isaiah 1:18 as an invitation to do just that. It provides me the spiritual room to manoeuvre my belief structure such that I don’t feel I need to accept doctrine which is counter to reason, morality or even common decency. I will not swallow the dogma of organised religion, the teachings of torture or the pious superiority of self appointed teachers. I would encourage you to do the same.
08 Feb 18
Galveston's statement is fine.
We have to understand that we cannot actually question a being that is fundamentally above us. God is omnipotent, omniscient, etc.
Of course, I know this will not stop people from questioning him, and they should feel very free to do so. That is the nature of our philosophical discourse.
I am only asking that you understand the fact that...
+Given there is a God,
+God is omniscient and omnipotent,
+You are a human who isn't omniscient or omnipotent,
(C) God will always have infinitely superior conclusions to you in every conceivable thought process.
I understand that you reject the "Given" that there is a God. So this is irrelevant to you personally.
But... surely... the logic would follow within the Christian framework that we are not to actually question God because that is literally a ludicrous idea. We might as well be saying,
"I can beat God in a foot race."
It's... not a winning bet. It's not even a sensible statement within a Christian concept of hierarchy or reason.
Originally posted by @jacob-vervilleBut I do it all the time.
Galveston's statement is fine.
We have to understand that we cannot actually question a being that is fundamentally above us.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYeah like I cna see going...
But I do it all the time.
"... So what's the deal with the four tassels on the cloak that we wear..?"
But this is an exercise along the lines of wondering if there is a deeper significance or something, or contemplating the mystery of the order...
I never, say, accuse God of having a bad plan.
Would you agree?