03 Mar 19
@bigdoggproblem saidThe trees a metaphorical for sure, but no other Christian in this forum will admit that.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil can be thought of as a metaphor for the birth of reason in humans.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIndeed it does.
I put it to you sir that religion gets in the way of what it truly means to be human and denigrates our commonality.
03 Mar 19
@divegeester saidHow do you know it's a metaphor and not a literal tree?
The trees a metaphorical for sure, but no other Christian in this forum will admit that.
03 Mar 19
@secondson saidWhere is the tree of life? Does it have roots and leaves?
How do you know it's a metaphor and not a literal tree?
03 Mar 19
@secondson saidThe same way I know that the multiheaded beasts wearing crowns and being ridden by whores wearing cloaks dripping in the blood of thousands of Christians is a metaphor and not real.
How do you know it's a metaphor and not a literal tree?
03 Mar 19
@philokalia saidAs usual you don’t know your bible philokalia, that is not what Christianity teaches at all, not in the slightest. In fact it’s almost the opposite.
In Christianity, we believe that all men are made in the image of God, and that they are "Christ-bearers."
Only Adam was made in God’s image.
Eve was made out of man.
Both died spiritually and were exiled.
Mankind became children of Satan spiritually speaking.
We changed spiritually and physically.
So no, “in Christianity” we do not believe what you said in the slightest.
Edit: there is no doctrine in Christianity which holds a juxtaposition to your racist view that different races have differing intelligences. Nothing for you to seek solace in or hide behind.
03 Mar 19
@bigdoggproblem saidIt is interesting how he ascribes will and agency to the cosmos.
"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself." -Carl Sagan
I was always under the impression that he was a hard materialist.
Would he admit he was just waxing poetic in this statement?
03 Mar 19
@divegeester saidDo trees have roots and leaves?
Where is the tree of life? Does it have roots and leaves?
03 Mar 19
@divegeester saidThat is completely wrong.
As usual you don’t know your bible philokalia, that is not what Christianity teaches at all, not in the slightest. In fact it’s almost the opposite.
Only Adam was made in God’s image.
Eve was made out of man.
Both died spiritually and were exiled.
Mankind became children of Satan spiritually speaking.
We changed spiritually and physically.
So no, “in Chris ...[text shortened]... that different races have differing intelligences. Nothing for you to seek solace in or hide behind.
Moses says this:
Genesis 9:6 ESV / 113 helpful votes
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image
It is also important to note that in the previous iteration, where they are doing the creation itself, it does speak GENERALLY about creating man in His Image:
"And God said: Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness...So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them" (Genesis 1:26-27)
He as not speaking of Adam, but man in general.
it says the same in the New Testament:
1 Corinthians 11:7 ESV / 82 helpful votes
For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.
There it is in the New & Old Testament: Man was made in the image of God. And, in Corinthians, Paul views women as once more removed from God. Sexist? Sure, you could say that, but regardless, your point is wrong.
My teachings are completely in line with what Christians believe -- Wikipedia acknowledges it:
The Image of God (Hebrew: צֶלֶם אֱלֹהִים, translit. tzelem Elohim; Latin: Imago Dei) is a concept and theological doctrine in Judaism,[1] Christianity, and Sufism of Islam,[2][3] which asserts that human beings are created in the image and likeness of God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_of_God
I wasn't wrong.
In fact, I would say that to deny this would be to show an unfamiliarity with standard Christian belief.
Did you grow up in an unchurched environment, Dive?
03 Mar 19
@divegeester saidDo you care when your posts get downvoted? Do you care when they get upvoted?
Ah you thumbed it down, not because of the truth but because you don’t like it.
I am probably the second most unpopular poster on this website.
It doesn't bother me.
I do not think you are particularly well liked, either, so maybe you and Bronwyn should get thicker skin.
@philokalia said[1] Would you say divegeester is a "heretic" for believing what he does about it being Adam who was made in God's image?
In fact, I would say that to deny this would be to show an unfamiliarity with standard Christian belief
[2] If divegeester is a "heretic" does it have any impact on his humanity?
03 Mar 19
@secondson saidYou can answer my question if you like, or just play games like you did last we discussed this.
Do trees have roots and leaves?
Where is the tree of life?
I’ll answer it for you as you clearly have trouble seeing past the decades of Sunday school dogma you have been force fed.
Jesus Christ is the tree of life, he is the fruit bearer and we must eat of him. He is symbolised throughout the bible in many ways.
There is only one tree of life and yet the bible has at least two! One in Genesis and one in Revelation where it stands on both sides of the great river and “it’s leaves are for the healing of the nations”. There cannot be two trees of life and also leaves don’t heal, Christ is our healer.
These are such simple things, it astonishes me that I have to argue these points with seasoned Christians.
03 Mar 19
@philokalia saidI see through you Jacob. That’s all.
Do you care when your posts get downvoted? Do you care when they get upvoted?
I am probably the second most unpopular poster on this website.
It doesn't bother me.
I do not think you are particularly well liked, either, so maybe you and Bronwyn should get thicker skin.