What we believe in...

Originally posted by FMF
Does the Mosaic Law still apply?

Apply to whom? I suspect it still applies to Jews, but you were attempting to state that the Law itself has changed, where has it changed?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Apply to whom? I suspect it still applies to Jews, but you were attempting to state that the Law itself has changed, where has it changed?

If it no longer applies to those who follow your version of God, as laid out in your scriptures, then it has changed. Does God still require people to be put to death for all manner of grotesque reasons?

Originally posted by FMF
If it no longer applies to those who follow your version of God, as laid out in your scriptures, then it has changed. Does God still require people to be put to death for all manner of grotesque reasons?

ok, where has it changed? you have stated that it has changed, can you provide the details of its change, which verses have changed?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, where has it changed? you have stated that it has changed, can you provide the details of its change, which verses have changed?

If it no longer applies to God's followers then one can hardly get a more fundamental change than that?

Originally posted by FMF
If it no longer applies to God's followers then one can hardly get a more fundamental change than that?

so the Law itself has not changed as Glaveston stated and in view of your lack of evidence that it has clanged despite being asked three times, you have produced nothing, thanks - goodnight.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so the Law itself has not changed as Glaveston stated and in view of your lack of evidence that it has clanged despite being asked three times, you have produced nothing, thanks - goodnight.

Does it still apply to God's followers? No. It did apply. It no longer applies. You can't get a clearer case of change in law than that.

Originally posted by galveston75
[God's] ways do not change and neither do his laws and principles change.

God's "ways" clearly changed when the Mosaic Law stopped applying. In that Law, the "principles" with regard to being put to death for all kinds of strange and even petty reasons clearly changed when they were effectively repealed. One can hardly think of a more basic change to God's "laws" than for them to no longer apply to God's followers.

Originally posted by FMF
If it no longer applies to God's followers then one can hardly get a more fundamental change than that?

change/tʃeɪndʒ/ Show Spelled [cheynj] Show IPA verb, changed, chang·ing, noun.
verb (used with object)
1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone: to change one's name; to change one's opinion; to change the course of history.
2. to transform or convert (usually followed by into ): The witch changed the prince into a toad.
3. to substitute another or others for; exchange for something else, usually of the same kind: She changed her shoes when she got home from the office.
4. to give and take reciprocally; interchange: to change places with someone.
5. to transfer from one (conveyance) to another: You'll have to change planes in Chicago.

Get the sence if you can of the explinations here. Now for example did God's laws in the original 10 commandments change on the "do not kill law"? Nope it hasn't. How about "do not steal"? Nope, how about all the rest? Nope.

All the laws that were insituded may not be inforced now as Jesus fulfilled them and we are no longer them by word, but all the principles still applys in our everyday life's.

Now I know you won't get this and that is to be expected, but I'm only answering this for others to understand with this discussion on the Book of Mormons.
God has not changed his laws or principles such as a man having 1 wife. The Mormons have a different view on this so it contradicts the Bible and God's commands.

Originally posted by FMF
God's "ways" clearly changed when the Mosaic Law stopped applying. In that Law, the "principles" with regard to being put to death for all kinds of strange and even petty reasons clearly changed when they were effectively repealed. One can hardly think of a more basic change to God's "laws" than for them to no longer apply to God's followers.

If you truly understood the affect Jesus had on these laws you would understand why we are no longer under those laws. BUT if Jesus did not fulfill them as he did, we would still be under them to this day.
The principles of those laws on many different levels are still our guide today.

Originally posted by galveston75
If you truly understood the affect Jesus had on these laws you would understand why we are no longer under those laws. BUT if Jesus did not fulfill them as he did, we would still be under them to this day.

But you are not still "under them to this day". One can hardly conceive of a more fundamental change to a law for people to be subject to it at one point and no longer subject to it at a later point.

The principles of those laws on many different levels are still our guide today.

One can go through them and see that many of the "principles" that underpin them have changed. This all directly contradicts your claim that "[God's] ways do not change and neither do his laws and principles change."

Originally posted by galveston75
God has not changed his laws or principles such as a man having 1 wife.

What about the materials to make clothes or what crops to plant and where to plant them? What about the death penalty for homosexuals? Did any of these "principles" change? Do these laws still apply?

Originally posted by FMF
What about the materials to make clothes or what crops to plant and where to plant them? What about the death penalty for homosexuals? Did any of these "principles" change? Do these laws still apply?

I've answerd you as well as I can on this subject. Good night.

Originally posted by galveston75
I've answerd you as well as I can on this subject. Good night.

You have described the "ways", the "laws" and the "principles" changing. This contradicts your statement that none of these things ever change.

Originally posted by divegeester
How DO you get all those natty little chevrons before every line?

>like this.

>America doesn't want to feel left out,
>so they came up with the book of Mormon.
>Jesus decided to get a passport and visit the USA.
>There was no homeland security back then.

Originally posted by galveston75
change/tʃeɪndʒ/ Show Spelled [cheynj] Show IPA verb, changed, chang·ing, noun.
verb (used with object)
1. to make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone: to change one's name; to change one's opinion; to change the course of history.
2. to tran ...[text shortened]... rmons have a different view on this so it contradicts the Bible and God's commands.

Your example of God's laws, vis a vis the Bible as authority, and the early Mormon practice of polygamy does not hold up. According to the Bible, prophets such as Abraham, Jacob and Isaac practiced polygamy and their progeny were held under covenant with God. There are those who will argue that Jesus Christ ushered in a new covenant, which did away with that practice, but there is not even New Testament reference to that. In any case, the very fact that there was a new testament or new covenant disputes the notion that the principles and laws of the Bible are unchangeable.