Spirituality
01 Aug 17
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayIf someone dies peacefully in their sleep, then yes, I view that much differently than dying from a tree branch being thrust into their skull from a tornado, that God may have caused.
God sets a point in time for all of us to die, His gift is eternal life. So if someone died in what you think is a bad way, that some how different than a way you think is good?
Originally posted by @chaney3As you seem to be going through a rather lucid patch let's explore this some more.
If someone dies peacefully in their sleep, then yes, I view that much differently than dying from a tree branch being thrust into their skull from a tornado, that God may have caused.
God is either in control or he's not. He's either accountable or he's not. The opinion in here from Christians seems to deny scripture.
But let me offer them a negotiation...if they can accept that the scriptures on eternal hell are either not literal, or are a poor interpretation...then I can accept the same for the scriptures indicating that god is creating evil.
What do you think, will they accept?
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @chaney3Why the end result is the same isn't it? For all you know dying in your sleep maybe horrible verses being completely caught off guard.
If someone dies peacefully in their sleep, then yes, I view that much differently than dying from a tree branch being thrust into their skull from a tornado, that God may have caused.
Originally posted by @divegeesterEvil did NOT create itself. Since we know that evil does exist, then God must have created it.
As you seem to be going through a rather lucid patch let's explore this some more.
God is either in control or he's not. He's either accountable or he's not. The opinion in here from Christians seems to deny scripture.
But let me offer them a negotiation...if they can accept that the scriptures on eternal hell are either not literal, or are a p ...[text shortened]... for the scriptures indicating that god is creating evil.
What do you think, will the accept?
But yes, that is different from saying that God purposely imposes evil on us.
So the theory that makes sense is that a tornado is just part of nature and that God would NOT purposely cause such a calamity, that kills humans.
So this scripture is most definitely questionable.
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @chaney3Do you think the 'eternal suffering' gang will accept my negotiation?
Evil did NOT create itself. Since we know that evil does exist, then God must have created it.
But yes, that is different from saying that God purposely imposes evil on us.
So the theory that makes sense is that a tornado is just part of nature and that God would NOT purposely cause such a calamity, that kills humans.
So this scripture is most definitely questionable.
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @chaney3What is evil? Do you think some naturally occurring event is evil, or just a naturally occurring event? If some deaths are natural and others evil, what is the difference?
Evil did NOT create itself. Since we know that evil does exist, then God must have created it.
But yes, that is different from saying that God purposely imposes evil on us.
So the theory that makes sense is that a tornado is just part of nature and that God would NOT purposely cause such a calamity, that kills humans.
So this scripture is most definitely questionable.
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterProbably not.
Do you think the 'eternal suffering' gang will accept my negotiation?
If they are okay with eternal suffering, then what's wrong with being attacked by a lion, before you go to hell forever?
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @great-king-ratYep.
Don't all you religionists ever shake your head and go "maybe I should embrace logic instead 😕"?
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterI don't think so.
I think you are missing the juxtaposition I'm trying to set up.
If the Bible says that God causes calamity, and one takes that literally, then they are forced to believe it.
There is no 'wiggle room' for a literalist to believe in only the portions of the Bible that makes sense.
Why eternal hell? Why is God purposely putting a hungry lion in my path? Neither makes any sense.
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe question here is IF you think that God would purposely cause a tornado, then have that tornado slam into a house killing the entire family.
Why the end result is the same isn't it? For all you know dying in your sleep maybe horrible verses being completely caught off guard.
Does God cause calamity?
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @chaney3Yes, God gives and takes away. Nothing you have didn't come from Him, you have some right to the air you are breathing apart from God giving it to you
The question here is IF you think that God would purposely cause a tornado, then have that tornado slam into a house killing the entire family.
Does God cause calamity?
02 Aug 17
Originally posted by @kellyjayOkay. As far as God 'taking away', as painful as it may be, the only explanation offered is:
Yes, God gives and takes away. Nothing you have didn't come from Him, you have some right to the air you are breathing apart from God giving it to you
We don't yet understand His will for us, or why it has happened, but should trust that He knows what He's doing.