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Originally posted by @fmf
You struggle with detecting irony, it seems.

So, before it slips away, yet again, what bearing does your personal dislike for divegeester have on whether he is actually "ashamed of Jesus Christ"?
I said dive was ashamed *to believe in* Jesus Christ. Get your facts straight, Kiddo.

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Originally posted by @divegeester
Oh I’m lying about being a Christian also now!
'Having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.'

1 Peter 3:16

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'Having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.'

1 Peter 3:16
Did anyone accuse Dive of lying about not being a Christian or is this a conclusion he reached on his own?

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'Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies; your tongue mutters wickedness. No one enters suit justly; no one goes to law honestly; they rely on empty pleas, they speak lies, they conceive mischief and give birth to iniquity. They hatch adders' eggs; they weave the spider's web; he who eats their eggs dies, and from one that is crushed a viper is hatched.'

Isaiah 59:1-21

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Psalm 14:1-4

'The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good. The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there are any who understand, Who seek after God.They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one. Do all the workers of wickedness not know, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call upon the Lord?'

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Originally posted by @philokalia

Perhaps this is more my personal dislike for his posting style in this forum and his rejection of hell more than anything.
What is it about the rejection of hell that you dislike so much? Is the idea of sinners suffering for all eternity in the fires of hell paramount to your belief system?

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Psalm 14:1-4

'The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good. The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men To see if there are any who understand, Who seek after God.They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who do ...[text shortened]... of wickedness not know, Who eat up my people as they eat bread, And do not call upon the Lord?'
That’s a great Psalm. I think Psalm 25 or Psalm 27 is my favorite, though. I also like Psalms 23, 37, 91 and 103 among others.

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
What is it about the rejection of hell that you dislike so much? Is the idea of sinners suffering for all eternity in the fires of hell paramount to your belief system?
Maybe what’s “paramount to his belief system” is the Bible.

Or do you think individual humans get to construct their own versions of God and the afterlife?

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“Man Made 'God' in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, the unnameable was reduced to a mental idol that you had to believe in and worship as 'my god' or 'our god'.”

Eckhart Tolle

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
“Man Made 'God' in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, the unnameable was reduced to a mental idol that you had to believe in and worship as 'my god' or 'our god'.”

Eckhart Tolle
Unfortunately he has that backwards. God made man in His own image.

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Originally posted by @divegeester
As I have said quite clearly near the start of this thread, this topic is not about doctrine or liberal Christian attitudes, it is about ONE thing only...am I ashamed of Jesus Christ.

What you have done here Jacob, is reveal your unprincipled spiteful nature.
If you reject the bulk of Christianity and re-fashion into a humanism, that is being ashamed of Christ.

... Or, it is just shameful.

Which do you think is worst? Which do you think is a more accurate description?

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Originally posted by @divegeester
As I have said quite clearly near the start of this thread, this topic is not about doctrine or liberal Christian attitudes, it is about ONE thing only...am I ashamed of Jesus Christ.

What you have done here Jacob, is reveal your unprincipled spiteful nature.
Are you ashamed of these words spoken by Jesus?

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

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Originally posted by @philokalia
If you reject the bulk of Christianity and re-fashion into a humanism, that is being ashamed of Christ.

... Or, it is just shameful.

Which do you think is worst? Which do you think is a more accurate description?
Rejecting "the bulk of Christianity" and re-fashioning it into a humanism?

What kind of bizarre straw man is this?

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Are you ashamed of these words spoken by Jesus?

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
I think dive is ashamed to believe Jesus was God in the flesh.

I think dive is ashamed to believe Jesus was crucified for the sins of mankind.

I think dive is ashamed to believe Jesus was Resurrected.

I’m actually not convinced dive believes that, but if he does, I think he’s ashamed to. I think he feels like an uneducated, unsophisticated country bumpkin for believing that and obseqiously tries to play both sides of the fence by seeking approval from the “worldly cultured” atheists while keeping one foot in the “Jesus is God” camp just in case.

When dive tells people to have integrity and to be honest, principled posters, that’s blatant psychological projection.

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Originally posted by @philokalia
If you reject the bulk of Christianity and re-fashion into a humanism, that is being ashamed of Christ.

... Or, it is just shameful.

Which do you think is worst? Which do you think is a more accurate description?
But I haven’t done that... you stupid boy.

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