@kellyjay saidWhat are you on about? "What is valued only carries its value for a moment" ...if one doesn't have your religious beliefs? What do you mean by that? What "only carries its value for a moment"? Give some examples.
If what is valued only carries it’s value for a moment once the moment passes so to its value.
@fmf saidIf there is nothing after we die, every single life becomes nothing. Not sure why that is escaping you. That translates into the only time meaning and value exists is in the moment of existence once that passes all meaning and value passes as well.
What are you on about? "What is valued only carries its value for a moment" ...if one doesn't have your religious beliefs? What do you mean by that? What "only carries its value for a moment"? Give some examples.
If life is more than just what we see and do here, that means the placement of actual value and all meaning will reside in the eternal not the temporary, because there would be no end of out existing in a eternal moment.
@kellyjay saidWe die. We both know that. For sure. Do you actually believe that, if death is the end, the meaning and value you found during your life becomes ~ retrospectively ~ meaningless?
That translates into the only time meaning and value exists is in the moment of existence once that passes all meaning and value passes as well.
@kellyjay saidDo you actually believe that your life has more meaning than mine because you believe in everlasting life while I do not?
If life is more than just what we see and do here, that means the placement of actual value and all meaning will reside in the eternal not the temporary, because there would be no end of out existing in a eternal moment.
@FMF
Cockroaches, for any and all their coolness. are not made in the image of God according to the likeness of God as human beings are.
No brag.
Just fact.
All the other creatures on earth God simply said, "Let there be . . .". But when it came to HUMANITY, God got more involved in an intimate way of having a divine counsel within the Triune God.
Here He did not just say "Let there be . . . " as in cockroaches, or creeping things, or insects.
God got MORE specifically involved and said something NOT said before with the creation of any other life on earth.
"And God said.
Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them hasve dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of heaven and over the cattle and over all the earth and over every creeping thing thst creeps upon the earth.
Amd God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." (Genesis 1:26,27)
So as interesting as cockroaches or any other "creeping thing" is, ONLY with man did God get so specially involved. Man alone of all the other lives on earth was created according to the likeness of God and in the image of God.
There is NOTHING else on the face of the planet that lives that is like a human being.
Of course one can say " But I just don't believe the Bible has anyting significant to say about the Man / Cockroach comparitive value.
However, I will continue to point out it does.
It is not a matter of how long either has been around.
It is not primarily that matter whatever that relative length people have been here
as opposed to the cockroach.
My opinion is that WHO came first, in Genesis is a little obscure.
Genesis one you have man created LAST.
Genesis two you have Adam naming all the creatures as God brings them
forth fom the ground.
Perhaps the descrpeancy is a message - Get the point and don't miss it .
Whether the creatures came BEFORE Adam or after Adam both Genesis chapter one and chapter two place at the top of the priority Man.
He alone is made in God's image and according to God's likeness.
He alone is assigned deputy authroity over all other creatures including creeping
things.
He names them in chaopter two - showing man's relative superiority over them.
We mean no disrespect for the other creatures.
We just give way to the realism - Man in the image of God is more important to the eternal purpose of God for the earth and the lives on it, than any OTHER of the cretures.
We Christians do not mean whales, chimps, bees, termites, are not interesting in their own right to study and analyze and learn something from.
@sonship saidSo, humans looked at the universe and speculated that [1] it must have been created, and [2] whatever entity did it must be anthropomorphized.
Cockroaches, for any and all their coolness. are not made in the image of God according to the likeness of God as human beings are.
I get where you are coming from on this.
@sonship saidI don't think it is a perception arrived at "innately". There is music, poetry, fiction, language, travel, philosophy, history, philanthropy, science, religion, growth, learning, spouses, children, families, culture etc.
@FMF
Agreed
Indeed.
Somewhat innately we both realize this.
So, humans looked at the universe and speculated that [1] it must have been created, and [2] whatever entity did it must be anthropomorphized.
One possibility:
We are unique an "anthropomorphize" what does not really exist as our Creator.
The other possibility:
Though we may anthropomorphasize" at times incorrectly - BASICALLY we are on the right track because we ALONE are made in the image of our Creator and according to the likeness of our Creator.
I argue for the second case.
This does NOT mean though that EVERY imagined depiction of God is equally
truthful.
@sonship saidThe Bible reflects humans' awareness of themselves and their awareness of the animal kingdom around them. I have no reason to believe ~ as KellyJay and perhaps yourself seem to be suggesting ~ that humans would not be able to differentiate themselves from cockroaches without the Bible or that [in KellyJay's case] without a belief in eternal life, humans can't differentiate themselves from cockroaches.
Of course one can say " But I just don't believe the Bible has anyting significant to say about the Man / Cockroach comparitive value.