@pb1022 saidI don't think centuries and centuries of persecution of, and discrimination against, the Jews by Christians in Christian communities across Europe can be attributed to :a small fraction of a group".
You’re taking the behavior of a small fraction of a group and using it to smear the entire group.
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@fmf saidWell I think you should get more specific.
I don't think centuries and centuries of persecution of, and discrimination against, the Jews by Christians in Christian communities across Europe can be attributed to :a small fraction of a group".
How many Christians? How many Jews? Where are these communities? What is the timespan?
And then we’ll compare the numbers to Christians worldwide over the same time period.
18 Jan 22
@pb1022 saidWell, to be fair, the thread was triggered by a specific article. If you want to talk about the racism of non-white Christians, you should make your case, or perhaps start a thread.
And you’ll notice vivify specifically is condemning “white Christians” so it appears he’s both a racist *and* a bigot.
@pb1022 saidI'll leave the rationalization of, and apologetics for, 2,000 years of persecution to you. Martin Luther, father of Protestantism, was perhaps one of the most malicious and influential anti-semites ever.
Well I think you should get more specific.
How many Christians? How many Jews? Where are these communities? What is the timespan?
And then we’ll compare the numbers to Christians worldwide over the same time period.
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@fmf saidI don’t like categorizing people by groups. I think people are individuals who don’t share the same opinions and beliefs just because they share the same skin color or ethnicity of someone else.
Well, to be fair, the thread was triggered by a specific article. If you want to talk about the racism of non-white Christians, you should make your case, or perhaps start a thread.
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@fmf saidYou think Hitler was a Christian?
I think the Holocaust was the culmination of something and not some bolt out of the blue.
From the Washington Post:
<<Hitler hated Judaism. But he loathed Christianity, too.>>
<<“In Hitler’s eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves,” wrote Alan Bullock “Hitler, A Study in Tyranny,” a seminal biography. “Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle of the fittest.”>>
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/
Hitler sounds like an evolutionist to me.
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@avalanchethecat saidThis is the full quote you took that excerpt from:
Unless the group happens to be 'evolutionists' or 'atheists', right?
<<I don’t like categorizing people by groups. I think people are individuals who don’t share the same opinions and beliefs just because they share the same skin color or ethnicity of someone else.>>
Obviously evolutionists and atheists aren’t defined by skin color or ethnicity.
They’re defined by a common belief and opinion.
That’s totally different than categorizing people based on skin color or ethnicity and then assuming they share the same beliefs and opinions based on their ethnicity or skin color.
18 Jan 22
@pb1022 saidCheck out Martin Luther's anti-semetic views for example. If you choose to believe that they somehow sprung up incongruously in a Christianity-free vacuum, then that is your prerogative.
What do you think it was the culmination of? Anti-Semitism?
And if so, you think it was based on Jews killing (by proxy) Jesus Christ?
18 Jan 22
@pb1022 saidI will look back at the previous pages of this thread to see if you have demonstrated your objection to "categorizing people based on skin color or ethnicity" by pushing back against what chaney3 has said in defence of the alleged racism of "white Christians".
That’s totally different than categorizing people based on skin color or ethnicity and then assuming they share the same beliefs and opinions based on their ethnicity or skin color.