05 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayBut that is besides the point. I am trying to determine why he is so adamant that nobody can create life in a laboratory. He seems to believe that such an act would threaten his belief system. He also seems to be claiming that he knows of a barrier to such an act.
For me if you can show me that life could be formed in lab with much
time and effort by design, I'd say you have given reason to show ID
could be true and not a designless abiogensis solution.
Kelly
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadnever mind that, i wrote you a plethora of details with regard to your accusation that no one can explain the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ and you never even commented on one of the points, you bad ol putty cat!
But that is besides the point. I am trying to determine why he is so adamant that nobody can create life in a laboratory. He seems to believe that such an act would threaten his belief system. He also seems to be claiming that he knows of a barrier to such an act.
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayYou don't have it as and habit either, producing evidence, do you, Kelly Jay?
Stating there is evidence is not producing any, it isn't showing that life
could have come from non-life, it isn't allowing your claims to be
challenged, it simply states your beliefs nothing more.
Kelly
When you are proven that you are wrong, you change your mind from 'a fact' to 'an opinion' not needing to produce any evidence.
I think you have lost your right to demand evidence from others.
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieMy apologies, I did not see your posts. I will go through them and respond tomorrow.
never mind that, i wrote you a plethora of details with regard to your accusation that no one can explain the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ and you never even commented on one of the points, you bad ol putty cat!
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat may be true, I also tend to agree with him that I doubt it will
But that is besides the point. I am trying to determine why he is so adamant that nobody can create life in a laboratory. He seems to believe that such an act would threaten his belief system. He also seems to be claiming that he knows of a barrier to such an act.
ever happen because I believe there is more to life than chemicals.
Kelly
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by FabianFnasWhen I give you facts I can produce them, when I tell you my opinion
You don't have it as and habit either, producing evidence, do you, Kelly Jay?
When you are proven that you are wrong, you change your mind from 'a fact' to 'an opinion' not needing to produce any evidence.
I think you have lost your right to demand evidence from others.
I tell you it is an opinion. The difference between me and you is that
your facts are matters of opinions half the time.
Kelly
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayStop whining and answer Badwaters question.
When I give you facts I can produce them, when I tell you my opinion
I tell you it is an opinion. The difference between me and you is that
your facts are matters of opinions half the time.
Kelly
Or give another opinion of yours.
05 Apr 09
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Originally posted by KellyJayAnd do you believe that that 'more' is hereditary? ie is it some hidden magic spark that can only be passed on and will not appear if the appropriate atoms are in the right places?
That may be true, I also tend to agree with him that I doubt it will
ever happen because I believe there is more to life than chemicals.
Kelly
Do you have any reason for such a belief?
Would it affect your faith or beliefs (other than that particular one) if you were proven wrong?
The interesting thing is that we are already manipulating cells in a big way, so one could rule out a number of possibilities surrounding your claim.
For example one can transfer a cell nucleus from one cell to another. This is how cloning works.
One can change the DNA in the nucleus ie insert new genes - this is how GM foods work.
05 Apr 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadWell people who live and die still have all their chemicals in the right
And do you believe that that 'more' is hereditary? ie is it some hidden magic spark that can only be passed on and will not appear if the appropriate atoms are in the right places?
Do you have any reason for such a belief?
Would it affect your faith or beliefs (other than that particular one) if you were proven wrong?
The interesting thing is that we ...[text shortened]... works.
One can change the DNA in the nucleus ie insert new genes - this is how GM foods work.
place, yet they die of old age, why is that? All the parts are there,
something else is going on, it isn't just chemicals! When they die do
they lose something in their DNA? There is a change between life and
death, something is different, the body heals itself in many ways yet
sometimes it does in one and not another, are their chemicals a little
different or is something else going on?
Kelly
05 Apr 09
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Originally posted by KellyJaybut surely you see that if you consider only the position of the atoms that we are composed of you are throwing away information, ie...that they move! I would hope physicists, chemists, biologists, etc forgive my ignorance here but I assert (in laymans terms) that they are in a state of flux because of external and internal inputs. What makes us who we are is the actual dynamics between them. When our brain ceases to function, the internal inputs stop.
Well people who live and die still have all their chemicals in the right
place, yet they die of old age, why is that? All the parts are there,
something else is going on, it isn't just chemicals! When they die do
they lose something in their DNA? There is a change between life and
death, something is different, the body heals itself in many ways yet
so ...[text shortened]... and not another, are their chemicals a little
different or is something else going on?
Kelly
07 Apr 09
Originally posted by KellyJayNo, their chemicals are not in the right place - that is why they die.
Well people who live and die still have all their chemicals in the right
place, yet they die of old age, why is that?
All the parts are there, something else is going on, it isn't just chemicals!
But not in the right places. It is 'just chemicals'. Also I doubt you would dispute the fact that putting the chemicals in the wrong places causes death - thats how most poisons work.
What you also probably would like to overlook is that death to a multicellular organism is not equivalent to death to individual cells. It is perfectly possible to keep alive the cells of a human being long after the person has died - that is how organ transplants work.