Originally posted by apathistWhen you say God is evil then you assume there's good. When you assume there's good, you assume there's such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. But if you assume a moral law, you must posit a moral Law Giver, but that's Who you're trying to disprove and not prove. Because if there's no moral Law Giver, there's no moral law. If there's no moral law, there's no good. If there's no good, there's no evil.
No. If the Bible is true, then God is evil. If the Bible is true, then God is evil. An all-powerful creator putting mortal souls into eternal torment for any reason at all? It gets worse. He does it not based on whether we are good or not, but on what we believe without evidence.
A creepy ancient Hebrew god of war. I piss on it. There are way better gods all over the place.
If the Bible is true God is the moral law giver and not you so you have no right to call him evil if you don't even know what evil is.
Originally posted by sonhouseThe simple truth is ALL morality is made up by men and by men I mean males.
You know full well what I mean. A god would think the same, that it is wrong to kill, much less kill LITERALLY millions of people. HUMANS took care of the situation in WW2, not a god. And of course killing for religion is going on today as we speak, children killed for daring to want an education. For religious reasons. Like a god would decree that kind of ...[text shortened]... els but a MAN 50.
If you believe that came from a god you are fully brainwashed and deluded.
If that is true then you calling God "evil" is merely the subjective opinion of men. If there is no universal standard of 'good' and 'evil' your argument is ultimately meaningless.
Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk...I agree with your first point. Your second point is poisoned by loading.
If the Bible is true God is the moral law giver and not you so you have no right to call him evil if you don't even know what evil is.[/b]
I guess that without belief in God, we cannot tell right from wrong. Which means that believers have to be told how to behave.
26 Jun 16
Originally posted by apathistAnother theory is that you can tell right from wrong because God has given you a conscience whether you believe in him or not. If you don't believe in God you are ultimately only accountable to yourself for your own actions because then all moral laws are only the subjective opinions of men, and there is no universal 'right' or 'wrong'.
I agree with your first point. Your second point is poisoned by loading.
I guess that without belief in God, we cannot tell right from wrong. Which means that believers have to be told how to behave.
26 Jun 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYes, both points.
Assuming that God exists, are you saying people can hold God accountable for his actions?
It actually works the other way around.
I know the Bible God is evil because of which actions he deems to be wrong and the methods he uses to address them.
26 Jun 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkRight and wrong are subjective, without any doubt.
Another theory is that you can tell right from wrong because God has given you a conscience whether you believe in him or not. If you don't believe in God you are ultimately only accountable to yourself for your own actions because then all moral laws are only the subjective opinions of men, and there is no universal 'right' or 'wrong'.
A lioness crushes the neck of a doe and drags it to the den. Good for the kittens, bad for the fawns.
Hey, if you hear God telling you to go use some firearms down at the movie junior high school and shoot the kids. You don't have a sense of right and wrong other than what you think God tells you to do.
26 Jun 16
Originally posted by apathistI disagree, no one in their right mind will agree that it is ok to shoot kids whether they believe in God or not. You have to be out of your mind to do that.
Right and wrong are subjective, without any doubt.
A lioness crushes the neck of a doe and drags it to the den. Good for the kittens, bad for the fawns.
Hey, if you hear God telling you to go use some firearms down at the movie junior high school and shoot the kids. You don't have a sense of right and wrong other than what you think God tells you to do.
26 Jun 16
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Originally posted by sonhouseYou should read the book of Job. One of the most upright men in all the Bible
This alleged god allowed LITERALLY hundreds of millions of people to die by the hands of despots and war in centuries past and still going on today.
The fact there was zero from your alleged god shows quite clearly just how much it must care for humanity, even assuming it exists, which I can confidently say does not.
That is not the same as saying th ...[text shortened]... ekels but a MAN is worth 50.
Gee, how CONVENIENT, a book written by men saying such nonsense.
We all suffer and die.
The one who lives the longest and happiest wins! 😵