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To everyone reading these words who do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus the Son of God -
You are a deceived man. Or you are a deceived woman.
You've been hoodwinked if you have been persuaded that Jesus did not rise from the dead.
Jesus Christ is believable.
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"As for you, that which you heard from the beginning, let it abide in you. If that which you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father" (1 John 2:24)
"In this we know that we abide in HIm nd He in us, that He has given to us of His Spirit." (1 John 4:13)
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him and he in God." (1 John 4:15)
" If we redeive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, because this is the testimony of God that He has testified concerning His Son.
He who believes into the Son of God has the testimony in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar because he has not believed in the testimony which God has testified cincerning His Son.
And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
I have written these things to you that you may know that you have eternal life, to you who beieve into the name of the Son of God." (1 John 5:9-13)
There is such a thing as an apostle knowing what he is talking about.
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Originally posted by NemesioWhy are you so deceived about the power and Person of Jesus the Son of God ?
That is why you are delusional.
The experience of salvation is not for a special elite. The intimate knowledge and fellowship with Christ is opened to all who will repent and be forgiven of thier sins, and who would receive Christ into their heart.
07 Jul 08
Originally posted by jaywillSo is Santa and the tooth fairy to many children. When they grow up they realise they were wrong.
To everyone reading these words who do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus the Son of God -
You are a deceived man. Or you are a deceived woman.
You've been hoodwinked if you have been persuaded that Jesus did not rise from the dead.
Jesus Christ is believable.
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Originally posted by Scriabin"Why do people accept, without evidence, as fact that a human being called Jesus was conceived by the union of the deity of monotheism and a virgin human woman?"
Why do people accept, without evidence, as fact that a human being called Jesus was conceived by the union of the deity of monotheism and a virgin human woman?
How is this different from the story of Hercules? What if the name of God was Zeus or Jupiter?
In other words, defining reality in terms of faith, any faith, simply baffles me.
Why? Without evidence? This is a tricky question. It leaves me in a position of explaining how I can believe in the existence of God. It is then assumed, since you don't perceive any evidence, that such evidence does not exist. So then, when I give evidence, whatever that might be, it isn't accepted as evidence.
You then want the evidence to be in compliance with your own definition of reality. That would require that you possess all knowledge.
Maybe I just don't know enough to tell you what you need to hear that would provide you with the irrefutable evidence you want. 😞
"How is this different from the story of Hercules? What if the name of God was Zeus or Jupiter?"
What if? I'm not sure this question is valid. It is what it is! 😳
"In other words, defining reality in terms of faith, any faith, simply baffles me."
This is a tough one I think. Any-faith? I believe there is just one faith. The term faith, seems to mean believing in something without having evidence for it's existence. But that would be wrong it seems.
So, when one sees faith as being something based on the existence of something else, then one has missed the true meaning of faith.
Did I hear you say, 'then what is the true meaning of faith'?
The best answer I can give you is a verse from the Bible.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. :'(
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Originally posted by ahosyneyI am not saying here is the Christ in the desert or there is the Christ in the inner rooms.
(king James Version)(Mark)(Mk-41-21)(And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: )
I don't believe you...
Your reference doesn't apply.
I am saying what the New Testament says:
"Now the Lord is the Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17)
"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45).
If I said that I did not know the life giving Spirit I would be a liar.
07 Jul 08
Originally posted by jaywillWhat color eyes did he have? High pitched or low pitched voice? How tall? What color skin? Did he have freckles? Facial hair? How long?
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In other words, defining reality in terms of faith, any faith, simply baffles me.
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When you think about it, in this life you eventually have to put your trust in someone.
You trust your parents that they are your mother and father? Now you really don't KNOW ...[text shortened]... Jesus, really believing that He was alive.
I met Jesus. I never met Hercules or Zues.[/b]
Did his hands show signs of manual labor?
What did he say to you directly, in person?
This entire "revelation" thing is mere tautology to me -- it is so because it is so. Or, it is written, therefore, it is so.
Well, if I now write an Epistle to some modern day analog of the Corinthians, bury it in a time capsule and it gets dug up and read 2000 years from now, does that make what I write now true as the revealed word of God?
How is it any different when you merely quote to me words from a book written by human beings?
I'd say you prefer to believe what you believe -- and that's fine with me -- go ahead if it makes you feel good. Certainly it is your right.
But you fail to convince me to believe as you do.
So what can you do to convince me using terms I and not you might accept?
I can accept that I'm typing on a Dell keyboard, I am sending these characters electronically over something called the Internet -- and while I certainly don't understand the technical aspects of all that, I see the proximate results -- I write this and come back later and it is there -- you read it and respond.
So, you've met Jesus, have you? Where , when, and how?
07 Jul 08
Originally posted by jaywillYou are unreasonable, illogical and every proposition you have presented here in this thread is flawed, invalid on its face.
[b]"As for you, that which you heard from the beginning, let it abide in you. If that which you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father" (1 John 2:24)
"In this we know that we abide in HIm nd He in us, that He has given to us of His Spirit." (1 John 4:13)
Whoever confesses that Jesus ...[text shortened]... ohn 5:9-13)
There is such a thing as an apostle knowing what he is talking about.[/b]
You stand accused of committing the logcial fallacy of the appeal to authority, which is used when someone making an argument can't put any logical reasoning behind it. Instead of supporting an argument with evidence, the argument is supported by simply saying, "Because so-and-so said so."
You allege to have an authority that can appeal to for anything that youy want: God. Since God knows everything, anything you say can be "proven" correct by appealing to God. It isn't enough for you to quote the Bible, but you claim to have "met Jesus."
Pardon my incredulity. Either you are nuts or you are selling something.
The other authority that you like to appeal to is the Bible. Because Matthew said so, and Mathew's gospel as written by men inspired by God, it must be correct. This is known as a Biblical appeal to authority, while the former is known as a deistic appeal to authority.
Either way, if there's no reasoning behind the argument, it is fraudulent and illogical.