Originally posted by galveston75Due to centuries of progress, especially in the last 100 years or so, mankind's ability to tackle problems such as these has increased dramatically. While there is no evidence - only your superstition - "that only God can cure these problems all together and forever", there is ample and abundant evidence that mankind can tackle these problems, and has done so repeatedly, and that we do not "just [have to] 'hope' that man can do it".
Has it crossed your mind that only God can cure these problems all together and forever or do you just "hope" that man can do it?
Have you ever prayed to God to stop these things or do you just "hope" man can do it?
Originally posted by RJHindsMankind certainly isn't powerless. Do you have no knowledge at all about the history of medicine and about disease control and treatment? Do you have no knowledge at all about the constantly increasing extent and capacity of health infrastructure around the world? Your suggestion that "man is still powerless" suggests that you are typing the first thing that comes into your head, just as long as it contradicts what I am saying.
It appears that man is still powerless because they still exists and many without cures.
Originally posted by FMFOh, so you are proud of what man has done the last 100 years?
Due to centuries of progress, especially in the last 100 years or so, mankind's ability to tackle problems such as these has increased dramatically. While there is no evidence - only your superstition - "that only God can cure these problems all together and forever", there is ample and abundant evidence that mankind can tackle these problems, and has done so repeatedly, and that we do not "just [have to] 'hope' that man can do it".
Shall we start with nuclear weapons? More then enough to destroy the earth many times over? Or chemical warfair? Proud of that?
How about more dead in the world wars then all the worlds wars before all thru history?
How about genocid that is still happening today as we speak? Do you really want me to go there?
Why do't you check this list out. Take your time and do the math and add up these numbers.
After you do, tell me exactly how proud you are on the men you put your hope in and how far we've come these last 100 years.....OK?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
Originally posted by galveston75Why would I be "proud" of the power to destroy the world? This is a dishonest straw man. If you are so sure of your superstitions, why this resort to deceptions? We have been discussing disease and medicine. Why the sudden change of topic, and the application of my optimistic comments to things I was not referring to? It's a cheap rhetorical trick.
Oh, so you are proud of what man has done the last 100 years?
Shall we start with nuclear weapons? More then enough to destroy the earth many times over? Or chemical warfair? Proud of that?
I'll ask you the same questions I asked RJHinds. Do you have any knowledge about the history of medicine and about disease control and treatment? Do you have any knowledge about the constantly increasing extent and capacity of health infrastructure around the world?
Originally posted by galveston75What "dance with words"?
No I'm just refusing to do this same stupid dance with words that you seem to love.....
This was my comment: There has been pestilence and disease all down through history and until relatively recently mankind was utterly powerless in the face of it. We have never been so well placed to prevent, combat or mitigate health problems and threats.
You're answer was "LOL".
If it is your belief either that [ a ] there has not been pestilence and disease all down through history; or [ b ] that mankind was better placed to prevent, combat or mitigate health problems and threats at some point in the past rather than in the present, then why not just state your case rather than dodge and deflect and dissemble?
Originally posted by galveston75The Second World War ended 67 years ago. The First World War ended 94 years ago. And there has been much reason for optimism in the meantime, with institutions like the U.N. and the E.U., along with end to the Cold War, making another "World War" much less likely than it was in the last century. This represents progress and does not support your dreary pessimism.
How about more dead in the world wars then all the worlds wars before all thru history?
Apologies for the longer than usual post...
This thread is another example of how the JW organisation preaches what the NT calls "another gospel".
JW's are not Chrisitans they are "JW's"; they preach that people should come to [their] Jehovah because the world is becoming a worse place and they show people booklets with artist's impressions of their imaginary idyllic interpretation of an JW earth. This is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ as pronounced in the NT. Gospel means "good news" what the JW's preach is woe and gloom and how to escape the woe and gloom by joining their cultish organisation.
The "good news" of Jesus Christ is explained is summed up by Paul when he said "I preach Christ and him crucified"...and also in these scriptures.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Isaiah 9:6-7
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end."
Isaiah 53:5-6
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Cor. 15:2-6
"By this gospel [good news] you are saved - that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time"
Why is it important for Chritians to defend the gospel?
Galatians 1:6-9
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel, which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"
The difference between the gospel of Jesus Christ and the gospel of the JW organisation is basically the former is one of hope and the latter one of fear.
Originally posted by FMFYOU are the one who mentioned the 100 year mark as something great for mankind. I just showed you that this 100 years you are so complimentary and proud of has been the deadliest in human history.
The Second World War ended 67 years ago. The First World War ended 94 years ago. And there has been much reason for optimism in the meantime, with institutions like the U.N. and the E.U., along with end to the Cold War, making another "World War" much less likely than it was in the last century. This represents progress and does not support your dreary pessimism.
I don't care what happened in any period in those 100 years including the last week, month or year. It is the whole time period since 1914 when Jesus cast Satan down from heaven that has been the deadlist and cruelist time in mans history.
OPEN YOUR EYES........
Originally posted by galveston75Yes, it's becoming increasingly clear that you don't particularly care what actually happened in the past. You brought up the two world wars. What thing equivalent to the wars of 1914 to 1945 has happened in the last 60-70 years? The answer: nothing remotely comparable. What could nowadays result in a conflagration equivalent to the ones of 1914 to 1945? The answer: there is nothing remotely comparable to the circumstances of 70-100 years ago. What "significance" do you place upon the relative peace of the last 67 years? That the end of the world is nigh?
I don't care what happened in any period in those 100 years including the last week, month or year. It is the whole time period since 1914 when Jesus cast Satan down from heaven that has been the deadlist and cruelist time in mans history.
Originally posted by galveston75Yes, in terms of the fight against disease and the extraordinary advances in medicine and the provision of health services to ordinary people. You know this is what I was referring to. You know this was what we were discussing. You know because you brought it up. You know because you bailed out of that discussion when the brittle little soundbites and unsubstantiated assertions you've been fed didn't work.
YOU are the one who mentioned the 100 year mark as something great for mankind.
Why the sudden change of topic, and your attempt to suggest I am "proud" of the world wars of the last century or that I think things like genocide are "great for mankind" by taking my comments out of their context and applying them to things I was not referring to? This is a deeply dishonest approach to discourse. Like I said before, why not just state your case and refute mine rather than dodge and deflect and dissemble?
Originally posted by FMFBump for galveston75.
I'll ask you the same questions I asked RJHinds. Do you have any knowledge about the history of medicine and about disease control and treatment? Do you have any knowledge about the constantly increasing extent and capacity of health infrastructure around the world?
Originally posted by FMFBump for galveston75. "LOL" is not a credible answer to this question.
There has been pestilence and disease all down through history and until relatively recently mankind was utterly powerless in the face of it. We have never been so well placed to prevent, combat or mitigate health problems and threats.
Originally posted by FMFBump for galveston75. You've been dodging and deflecting and dissembling for page after page.
The world recovered from the 1918 “Spanish flu". It handled the pandemics in 1957 and 1968 relatively easily. Thanks to scientific progress and the wider and wider distribution of health infrastructure, we are well placed to deal with the next “killer flu.” Do you think "flu" is a sign that the "end times" are near?