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02 Jul 12
Originally posted by galveston75Any organization that releases information via the public media has, at least this spin:
None of those links I posted are spinning anything but simply stating facts. Is WHO just in this for some agenda? Is Wikipedia trying to fool us for some reason. How about the CDC, is it pulling our legs and telling a joke to us?
Really?
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/ What is the possible "spin" this site has?
"This information is important."
Then they will proceed to tell you the information, and why it is important. Or the people who hired them, may tell you why it is important. There may be conflicting reasons given.
We are bombarded with "important" information every day.
In fact I am giving you some right now. 🙂
02 Jul 12
Originally posted by galveston75I know what the stock theist answers are, but they aren't adequate.
And why didn't he? Any clue?
"Free will necessitates that people are allowed to do bad things." - No, not if there is free will in heaven.
"We can't know the mind of God." - OK, so we must trust our own judgment, which tells us that an all-powerful, all-knowing creator could easily have done better.
"Adam's fall allowed sin into the world which mucked everything up." - Lots of reasons to reject this explanation. I'm not sure I can pick just one. If it is not obvious why this should be rejected, let me know and I'll make a list. 😛
02 Jul 12
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Originally posted by Rank outsiderI never said it was all bad. Have I? I think I just posted a comment that there is good out there.
I think you will find WHO has a pretty strong agenda, yes. They want to stop people dying unnecessarily.
But as you raised this, here are a few facts I found on their website.
http://www.who.int/whr/1998/media_centre/50facts/en/
[i][b]Life expectancy
Average life expectancy at birth in 1955 was just 48 years; in 1995 it was 65 years; i has actually come down, it demonstrates even more strikingly how much progress has been made.)[/b]
But you take away these things that the medical field has come up with to improve our health and our life span and where would we be? Probably worse off then ever because of the polution we have all been exposed to.
And most of the population of the world does not have access to all these meds and treatment that we might have here.
But let the economy continue to falter or even worse crash and the world as we know it and all the advances will not do much good if no one can afford it.
Before 2008 1 in 50 people here in the USA were on food stamps. It's now 1 in 5.
So what does this say about our progress? How many more each day can't afford food and medical care even here in the US?
The love of money, the greed it grows and Satan will never let man live in a peaceful world, and this 20th - 21st century is proof of that.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/01/11/mexico-drug-death-top-45000/
Here is on very close example of what the love of money does to humans....
02 Jul 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitYep, you really don't have a clue. But you could learn if you were really interested.
I know what the stock theist answers are, but they aren't adequate.
"Free will necessitates that people are allowed to do bad things." - No, not if there is free will in heaven.
"We can't know the mind of God." - OK, so we must trust our own judgment, which tells us that an all-powerful, all-knowing creator could easily have done better.
"Adam's ...[text shortened]... f it is not obvious why this should be rejected, let me know and I'll make a list. 😛
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02 Jul 12
Originally posted by galveston75
I never said it was all bad. Have I? I think I just posted a comment that there is good out there.
But you take away these things that the medical field has come up with to improve our health and our life span and where would we be? Probably worse off then ever because of the polution we have all been exposed to.
And most of the population of the wor ...[text shortened]... eath-top-45000/
Here is on very close example of what the love of money does to humans....
But you take away these things that the medical field has come up with to improve our
health and our life span and where would we be?
Ahhh... So your argument is "if you ignore all the good things science has given us we are left
with all this bad stuff. Isn't science terrible!"
Do you really need me to point out what is wrong with this argument?
02 Jul 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeDo you need me "again" to point out the bad science has done and what it is doing to our planet?But you take away these things that the medical field has come up with to improve our
health and our life span and where would we be?
Ahhh... So your argument is "if you ignore all the good things science has given us we are left
with all this bad stuff. Isn't science terrible!"
Do you really need me to point out what is wrong with this argument?
02 Jul 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeJust like if you ignore all the bad things about the JWs - all the wrong predictions and and wrong doctrines and foolish decisions - then they are just perfect !! Whats wrong with that 😀But you take away these things that the medical field has come up with to improve our
health and our life span and where would we be?
Ahhh... So your argument is "if you ignore all the good things science has given us we are left
with all this bad stuff. Isn't science terrible!"
Do you really need me to point out what is wrong with this argument?
02 Jul 12
Originally posted by galveston75You said:
I never said it was all bad. Have I? I think I just posted a comment that there is good out there.
But you take away these things that the medical field has come up with to improve our health and our life span and where would we be? Probably worse off then ever because of the polution we have all been exposed to.
And most of the population of the wor ...[text shortened]... eath-top-45000/
Here is on very close example of what the love of money does to humans....
Since 1914 when WW1 began no other time ( from 1914 until now ) has the world been deadlier ( and still has this potential ) and that would include the whole list of what has killed humans whether it's been wars, pestilence, murder, starvation, natural disasters, etc, etc.
I believe that all the causes of death you mention are taken into account in life expectancy statistics. And I have shown that life expectancy has been steadily increasing on a global basis and is now at an all time high.
So I am still confused as to why you think the world is deadlier now than it ever has been.
You made a relative comparison, so arguing that there are still lots of bad things around is not relevant, nor is it relevant that you have acknowledged that lots of good things have been done. My question is why do you believe that the world is a deadlier place than it has been in the past, when we are all on average surviving these deadly risks longer.
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Originally posted by galveston75Pointing past my shoulder and shouting squirrel! is not going to distract anyone from the
Do you need me "again" to point out the bad science has done and what it is doing to our planet?
fact that your argument is stupid and that I (among several others) have pointed that fact
out.
02 Jul 12
Originally posted by Rank outsiderHummmm? How many have died in wars before WW1 happened and how many have died with the beginning of WW1 till now? There's a clue there for you....
You said:
Since 1914 when WW1 began no other time ( from 1914 until now ) has the world been deadlier ( and still has this potential ) and that would include the whole list of what has killed humans whether it's been wars, pestilence, murder, starvation, natural disasters, etc, etc.
I believe that all the causes of death you menti ...[text shortened]... e than it has been in the past, when we are all on average surviving these deadly risks longer.
Also before the invent of nuclear weapons which could destroy the world many times over, would you say the chance of all life being wiped off the face of the earth is greater now or before those nasty bombs were invented?
Just a though here.....
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03 Jul 12
Originally posted by galveston75So deep down, your faith is all about defeating death.
http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm
Perhaps many of you have never seen a list like this and the scope of the numbers tha thave died just in the 20th century.
Go slow and be patient as it is many pages long.
So we have progressed in the last 100 years? I don't think so.......
You are stuck in a version of the denial phase.
You will be cured of that.
03 Jul 12
Just saw on NBC news that GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals has been fined with a 3 billion dollar law suit for falsely misrepresenting some of their drugs.
Hummmm? And why would they do such a thing? For sales you think?
"The love of money is the root of all evil"!
So exactly how are things getting better?
The faith that many of you have in MAN solving our problems is going to happen how? By all the bad guys just going away?