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Originally posted by @fmfI’ll probably disengage from the forums (at least this one) and concentrate more on chess.
This is an answer to "What personal shortcomings in you yourself do you think you have demonstrated in the few days since you turned up here?"
Are you going to stop the "attacks" or is your heart "hardened" permanently?
Originally posted by @romans1009Well there are many hundreds or even billions of Christians who have strong faith, and who believe they are "saved" already because of 'faith alone', but your own scriptures tell you that only a few of them will be "saved" which would suggest that the litmus test is going to be the good works that Jesus talks about.
Because you are an atheist and presumably think nothing occurs upon physical death, it would seem to be difficult for you to grasp the importance a believer places on where he or she will be in the “hereafter.” That is why I think it is so absurd, logically as well as Biblically, to think salvation is by good works for the reasons I mentioned in the previous post.
Maybe the majority of sincere believers who perhaps think that that faith alone is what is needed won't get through "the narrow door" [to the "hereafter"] because they convinced themselves that it's "absurd, logically as well as Biblically, to think salvation is by good works".
Earnest and committed believers in Jesus are extremely numerous; but something is going to prevent most of them from being "saved" ~ regardless of that faith.
Apparently, Jesus is believed to have said ‘Many Are Called, But Few Are Chosen’, how do you think that 'choice' will be made?
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Originally posted by @fmfWe’re simply going to wind up going back to an earlier discussion regarding belief in one’s heart vs. belief in one’s head and how good works, while not a requirement for salvation, are a manifestation of someone who is already saved.
Well there are many hundreds or even billions of Christians who have strong faith, and who believe they are "saved" already because of 'faith alone', but your own scriptures tell you that only a few of them will be "saved" which would suggest that the litmus test is going to be the good works that Jesus talks about.
Maybe the majority of sincere believers w ...[text shortened]... to have said ‘Many Are Called, But Few Are Chosen’, how do you think that 'choice' will be made?
Those who subscribe to the false doctrine of salvation by good works never seem to realize that those who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ do good works and the more they are in the Holy Bible and prayer, the more good works are as natural as breathing.
Originally posted by @romans1009Forgive me for saying this, but this stuff you have typed seems to completely ignore the content of the post you are ostensibly replying to.
We’re simply going to wind up going back to an earlier discussion regarding belief in one’s heart vs. belief in one’s head and how good works, while not a requirement for salvation, are a manifestation of someone who is already saved.
Those who subscribe to the false doctrine of salvation by good works never seem to realize that those who are saved by ...[text shortened]... the more they are in the Holy Bible and prayer, the more good works are as natural as breathing.
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Originally posted by @fmfTell me how or ask direct questions. But I fear we’re going to end up proving the veracity of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Forgive me for saying this, but this stuff you have typed seems to completely ignore the content of the post you are ostensibly replying to.
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.“
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009If you are intent on blanking it out, so be it.
Tell me how or ask direct questions. But I fear we’re going to end up proving the veracity of 1 Corinthians 2:14.
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.“
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009No tricks. The post is at the top of this page. I can't speak for its "discussion style" but I do know it attempted to move the conversation along. And it's pretty clearly expressed. However, you have opted to sidestep it completely. If that is how you want to proceed, then OK. It's still there if you change your mind.
Back to your old tricks I see.
Try them on someone who doesn’t see right through your “discussion style.”
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Originally posted by @fmfIs this why you support Rajk's "Jesus isn't necessary because I can work my way into Heaven like a summer job" theology? You see it as your own "escape clause", just like he does? You know, "just in case" God actually exists?
Well there are many hundreds or even billions of Christians who have strong faith, and who believe they are "saved" already because of 'faith alone', but your own scriptures tell you that only a few of them will be "saved" which would suggest that the litmus test is going to be the good works that Jesus talks about.
Maybe the majority of sincere believers w ...[text shortened]... to have said ‘Many Are Called, But Few Are Chosen’, how do you think that 'choice' will be made?
Go ahead, unbeliever. Tell me again about what theology I should have. Hypocrite.
Originally posted by @suzianneThree questions. [1] I don't believe in the existence of "Heaven". [2] No. What a trite notion. I am an agnostic atheist. "Escape clause"? [3] No. What you are saying sounds a bit silly and facile to me. I may not be a trenchant atheist like Ghost of a Duke but I certainly feel I have no reason to believe that the Christians who post here - including you, divegeester and Rajk999 - are revealing anything real about a supernatural being or an afterlife to me.
[1] Is this why you support Rajk's "Jesus isn't necessary because I can work my way into Heaven like a summer job" theology?
[2] You see it as your own "escape clause", just like he does?
[3] You know, "just in case" God actually exists?
Originally posted by @suzianneYou should adopt whatever theology you want. You don't devote enough of your posts to it for my taste.
Go ahead, unbeliever. Tell me again about what theology I should have. Hypocrite.
Rajk999's theology and his theological debates here are one of the most interesting things that go on on this forum.
It's also very interesting to see how many of the attempted 'rebuttals' rely on misrepresenting what he actually believes.
I don't know where you got the idea that I am telling you what theology you should have. It's daft.
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I thought I was clear but I’ll try again under the assumption that you’the sincere.
<Well there are many hundreds or even billions of Christians who have strong faith, and who believe they are "saved" already because of 'faith alone', but your own scriptures tell you that only a few of them will be "saved" which would suggest that the litmus test is going to be the good works that Jesus talks about.>
Many people have a “head belief” in Jesus Christ but not a “heart belief.” I realize you have difficulty understanding what is meant by a “heart belief” or what it means to believe in one’s heart, so I would just say that many people believe Jesus on an intellectual level and go to church but do not have strong, sincere and self-sacrificing convictions about Him. Those who do have such convictions will be regularly reading God’s Word and in prayer - not because they feel obligated to, but because they want to - and the outward manifestation that they are saved is revealed by God’s indwelt Spirit’s influence on their lives and behavior.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009So you believe that "judgment" is about weeding out 'mere' "head belief".
I thought I was clear but I’ll try again under the assumption that you’the sincere.
<Well there are many hundreds or even billions of Christians who have strong faith, and who believe they are "saved" already because of 'faith alone', but your own scriptures tell you that only a few of them will be "saved" which would suggest that the litmus test is g ...[text shortened]... that they are saved is revealed by God’s indwelt Spirit’s influence on their lives and behavior.
Is "head belief" something that involves "accepting Jesus as one's Lord and saviour"? Or does it involve pointedly NOT accepting that?
What happens if someone "accepts Jesus as his Lord and saviour", does good works, but has 'mere' "head belief"? Is it "damnation" for him?