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<<Earnest and committed believers in Jesus are extremely numerous; but something is going to prevent most of them from being "saved" ~ regardless of that faith.>>
“Extremely numerous” is a meaningless phrase without something to compare it to. If you compare the number of Christians who are saved via John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 against all the humans who have lived in the world in the past 2,000 years, I would say, as a percentage, they are not “extremely numerous,” and, in fact, could be regarded as “few.”
Nothing will prevent them from being saved if they are saved via John 3:16 or Romans 10:9 because they are already saved!
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009If you are found to have 'mere' "head belief" at the moment of "judgment" will you expect to face "damnation"? If you do, will you accept that it's fair?
Nothing will prevent them from being saved if they are saved via John 3:16 or Romans 10:9 because they are already saved!
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<Apparently, Jesus is believed to have said ‘Many Are Called, But Few Are Chosen’, how do you think that 'choice' will be made?>
Not entirely sure this refers to salvation (I’ll check later as I’m curious myself and think it refers to the parable of the wedding feast.) But if it does refer to salvation, the choice will be made based on John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Humans can’t see the heart, but the Lord can, and the Lord is interested in someone’s heart.
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I’ll get to your other questions a little later but wanted to ask you about something you said in a post to suzianne. Did you identify yourself as an agnostic atheist? That seems to me to be someone who doesn’t know if God exists and also doesn’t think God exists.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009What did you read in the post to Suzianne?
I’ll get to your other questions a little later but wanted to ask you about something you said in a post to suzianne. Did you identify yourself as an agnostic atheist? That seems to me to be someone who doesn’t know if God exists and also doesn’t think God exists.
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Originally posted by @fmfThis is the post to suzianne I was referring to. It looked like you called yourself an agnostic atheist.
Three questions. [1] I don't believe in the existence of "Heaven". [2] No. What a trite notion. I am an agnostic atheist. "Escape clause"? [3] No. What you are saying sounds a bit silly and facile to me. I may not be a trenchant atheist like Ghost of a Duke but I certainly feel I have no reason to believe that the Christians who post here - including you, diveg ...[text shortened]... ster and Rajk999 - are revealing anything real about a supernatural being or an afterlife to me.
08 Feb 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Huh? I don't understand ~ you say it "looked like" that? What does that even mean? It "looked like" I said something?
This is the post to suzianne I was referring to. It looked like you called yourself an agnostic atheist.
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Originally posted by @fmfOf course you won't accept that it's fair. Doing so would to some degree put your mind at ease, and in hell, the last thing to expect is your mind being, to any degree, at ease.
If you are found to have 'mere' "head belief" at the moment of "judgment" will you expect to face "damnation"? If you do, will you accept that it's fair?
08 Feb 18
FMF: If you are found to have 'mere' "head belief" at the moment of "judgment" will you expect to face "damnation"? If you do, will you accept that it's fair?This rather puts paid to the notion that whatever "God" decides is, by definition, good ~ and by extension, fair. I wonder if the loss of faith in "God's" decision-making on account of the "damnation" not being fair would vindicate the "judgment" that the person involved had weak faith.
Originally posted by @js357
Of course you won't accept that it's fair. Doing so would to some degree put your mind at ease, and in hell, the last thing to expect is your mind being, to any degree, at ease.
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Originally posted by @fmfTo me, it vindicates the conclusion that time spent analyzing the character of God is actually time spent analyzing the character of the individual human who is promoting the particular God-concept under discussion. I wonder how much time they spend imagining tortures the unsaved will undergo. It's not healthy.
This rather puts paid to the notion that whatever "God" decides is, by definition, good ~ and by extension, fair. I wonder if the loss of faith in "God's" decision-making on account of the "damnation" not being fair would vindicate the "judgment" that the person involved had weak faith.
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Originally posted by @fmf<<b]So you believe that "judgment" is about weeding out 'mere' "head belief".>>
So you believe that "judgment" is about weeding out 'mere' "head belief".
Is "head belief" something that involves "accepting Jesus as one's Lord and saviour"? Or does it involve pointedly NOT accepting that?
What happens if someone "accepts Jesus as his Lord and saviour", does good works, but has 'mere' "head belief"? Is it "damnation" for him?
Which judgment are you referring to? The Judgment Seat of Christ spoken of in Romans or the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation? As I understand it, neither is about “weeding out head belief” because God already knows who believes in Him in his heart and who doesn’t and who is saved and who isn’t. He doesn’t need to interview us like a job applicant.
<<Is "head belief" something that involves "accepting Jesus as one's Lord and saviour"? Or does it involve pointedly NOT accepting that?>>
“Head belief,” or coming to a conclusion that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh after reviewing the evidence for His divinity, can lead to “heart belief,” but I think accepting Christ as one’s Lord and Saviour and thereby obtaining salvation is done in the heart.
<<What happens if someone "accepts Jesus as his Lord and saviour", does good works, but has 'mere' "head belief"? Is it "damnation" for him?[/b]>>
My initial response is “yes,” though it’s based on “head belief” as you’re using and defining it being a superficial, non-committal and insincere belief. And I don’t think one accepts Jesus Christ as his or her Lord and Saviour in this manner.
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Originally posted by @fmfI think one already knows if he or she has “head belief” or “heart belief” when it comes to Jesus Christ. That’s not at all to say that head belief cannot lead to heart belief through reading the Bible and sincere prayer.
If you are found to have 'mere' "head belief" at the moment of "judgment" will you expect to face "damnation"? If you do, will you accept that it's fair?
I’m again uncertain about which judgment you are referring to when you speak of the “moment of judgment.” God doesn’t decide if we are saved or damned - we do by our own free will. We either accept His gift of salvation or we don’t. It’s up to us.
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Originally posted by @fmfWe decide if we accept God’s gift of salvation; God doesn’t decide for us.
This rather puts paid to the notion that whatever "God" decides is, by definition, good ~ and by extension, fair. I wonder if the loss of faith in "God's" decision-making on account of the "damnation" not being fair would vindicate the "judgment" that the person involved had weak faith.
God gave us free will to choose how we want to live and whether we want to believe in Him or not.
We can hardly blame God for our decisions.
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Originally posted by @romans1009'Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.' (Ephesians1:3-6).
We decide if we accept God’s gift of salvation; God doesn’t decide for us.
God gave us free will to choose how we want to live and whether we want to believe in Him or not.
We can hardly blame God for our decisions.
Try again.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeThe man, rather the FMJ group, does not know the Bible lol 😀
'Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.' (Ephesians1:3-6).
Try again.