18 May 17
Originally posted by chaney3It's not something that I believe in but I don't go around labelling it "BS".
You do.
I've been here over a decade and you won't find me talking in that way. One would need to feel angry, which I don't.
Plenty of people who are much cleverer than me in many ways believe in it.
So, what about you? Do you think that the concept of Jesus' birth being the result of a miracle is "BS" and needs to be referred to in that way?
18 May 17
Originally posted by FMFThe miracle must explain how Jesus obtained the Y chromosome.
It's not something that I believe in but I don't go around labelling it "BS".
I've been here over a decade and you won't find me talking in that way. One would need to feel angry, which I don't.
Plenty of people who are much cleverer than me in many ways believe in it.
So, what about you? Do you think that the concept of Jesus' birth being the result of a miracle is "BS" and needs to be referred to in that way?
I will refrain from making this personal, despite your bait.
chaney3: Tell your pal Dive that Christianity needs more evidence before one commits their soul to it. I will hear his BS before I comment.If a Christian joins the discussion and states that they believe the circumstances surrounding Jesus' birth were miraculous, will you call it "BS"?
Originally posted by chaney3
I will refrain from making this personal, despite your bait.
Originally posted by chaney3Obviously so.
It can also be assumed that the writers of the New Testament had no clue about the necessity of the Y chromosome.
But it must be noted that the writers of the New Testament did not invent the idea that Jesus was born without a father being involved. That came later.
I am not aware of how religious scholars, or the Bible deal with this 'problem' regarding the immaculate conception.
Actually the 'immaculate conception' is the birth of Mary and was invented by the Catholic Church and doesn't involve a Y Chromosome at all.
18 May 17
Originally posted by chaney3Do you have a sample of Jesus' DNA?
Where did the required Y chromosome come from in the conception of Jesus, which comes from the human father?
Luke 1:35 says "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
Details are lacking, but do you think that it is an impossible thing for the Creator of the Universe? Legend has it that he spoke Creation into existence; do you think it impossible that he could craft a zygote into Mary's womb from one of her eggs?
18 May 17
Originally posted by chaney3The "immaculate conception" concept speaks of the conception of Mary, the mother of Jesus, not Jesus himself.
I am not aware of how religious scholars, or the Bible deal with this 'problem' regarding the immaculate conception.
It can also be assumed that the writers of the New Testament had no clue about the necessity of the Y chromosome.
18 May 17
Originally posted by FMFWhy don't you ask divegeester if one has to be "angry" to call out something as "BS"?
It's not something that I believe in but I don't go around labelling it "BS".
I've been here over a decade and you won't find me talking in that way. One would need to feel angry, which I don't.
Plenty of people who are much cleverer than me in many ways believe in it.
So, what about you? Do you think that the concept of Jesus' birth being the result of a miracle is "BS" and needs to be referred to in that way?
Sorry to disillusion you, but no "anger" is necessary. You often accuse people of being "angry" when nothing is further from the truth. It's just another way you put people down and belittle their opinions.
18 May 17
Originally posted by chaney3God did it
Miracles likely still must maintain physical law.
Meaning, Jesus must have the Y chromosome. You are trying to input a miracle that NT writers were not aware of.
Meaning......WE NOW view the chromosome issue as a possible issue, which they didn't know.