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30 Dec 08
03 Jan 09
Your post from 23 Nov 08
The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=99139&page=25
I posted the stats and showed how OU's defensive stats were better than Ole Miss' stats, but somehow Ole Miss can still play defense and OU can't.
Your second hypocritical statement was to come up with an excuse as to why OU's stats were better after you have accused me of coming up with excuses on several occassions in this thread.
03 Jan 09
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Originally posted by EladarWho said Ole Miss had a great D? They had 3 losses in the SEC. But their D was good enough to easily beat Texas Tech which lost only 1 game in the Big 12.
Your post from 23 Nov 08
[b]The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=99139&page=25
I posted the stats and showed how OU's defensive stats were better than Ole Miss' stats, but somehow Ole Miss can still play defense and OU can't.
Your second hypocritical st r after you have accused me of coming up with excuses on several occassions in this thread.[/b]
Only a Big 12 fan could think that giving up 406 yards in a game was "good" defense. Oklahoma's defense is 63rd in the nation in yards allowed and 57th in points allowed. That's "average" at best.
http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2008&org=522
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by EladarSo the 4th best defense in the SEC held the 4th best offense in the country to 100 yards less than their average. Again, that's not a "good omen" for the Big 12 esp. considering that Florida has a better D than Ole Miss.
Ole Miss had the 4th best defense in the SEC. Nice Try.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/sec/mississippi.htm
And yes, yes you can keep running back to Oklahoma's best game of the season to "prove" how their defense isn't all that bad. For a few more days anyway and then you'll have to figure out what excuses to use for OU's loss to the Gators.
03 Jan 09
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Here is your quote:
The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
You are the one who called out this game and said it showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
Now that the number 14 defense in the nation and number 4 defense in the SEC put up worse numbers than OU, you are still unable to admit you were wrong.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/stats/byteam?cat1=defense&cat2=Total&sort=1137&conference=I-A_all&year=2008
That's not unexpected. It's just fun putting up the numbers and dealing with the facts and watching you make an even bigger fool of yourself. 🙂
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by EladarYup, I sure made a fool of myself predicting that Ole Miss would upset Texas Tech.
Here is your quote:
[b]The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
You are the one who called out this game and said it showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
Now that the number 14 defense in the nation and number 4 defense in the SEC put up worse numbers than OU, you are still unable to admit you were wrong. ...[text shortened]... numbers and dealing with the facts and watching you make an even bigger fool of yourself. 🙂[/b]
I fail to see how the way that the Big 12 defenses have been run through in the bowls "proves" that my statement on their defensive inadequacies was "wrong". Most people who aren't complete idiots would have to concede I've been pretty spot on.
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by EladarDo you consider a team that gave up 550 yards to Kansas State to be one that has a good defense?
Quit trying to change the subject and deal with the topic I've brought up.
You made of fool of yourself when you wrote:
[b]
The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D. [/b]
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by no1marauderWhy are changing the subject and throwing in Tech's stats. The statement was about each team's defenses sepreately.
I wasn't. The two teams in that game combined for 1031 yards and 86 points. That's pretty crappy defense, ain't it?
Only an idiot would say that OU's defense did terrible in that game because Tech's defense did even worse. Compare apples with apples.
Compare OU's defense vs the Ole Miss defense. OU's defense is supposed to be terrible, while the Ole Miss defense is supposed to be very good.
You've said that Big XII defenses suck. I've said that Big XII offenses are good. Now we have evidence to support which side of the argument is correct.
03 Jan 09
Originally posted by EladarThe statement was made regarding the defenses in the Big 12. As I recall, both teams are in Big 12. Therefore, the statement remains correct.
Why are changing the subject and throwing in Tech's stats. The statement was about each team's defenses sepreately.
Only an idiot would say that OU's defense did terrible in that game because Tech's defense did even worse. Compare apples with apples.
Compare OU's defense vs the Ole Miss defense. OU's defense is supposed to be terrible, while the Ole ...[text shortened]... fenses are good. Now we have evidence to support which side of the argument is correct.
Who said OU's defense was "terrible"? I'd say it's average at best, but not terrible. To assess the defense you need to look at ALL their games, not just cherry pick games where you feel they played well. The same D that gave up "only" 406 yards to Texas Tech gave up 550 yards to Kansas State. Of course, you want to ignore that performance.
It seems that every offense is good when it plays a Big 12 defense as the 1080 yards and 89 points racked up by Oregon and Ole Miss attest to.
04 Jan 09
Read the quote again if you think the statement was about generic Big XII defenses.
The OU-Texas Tech game showed that the top Big 12 teams can't play D.
Oh, and you might want to check Alabama's defensive stats against Utah while you are at it. Perhaps this is an omen about tough SEC defenses.
04 Jan 09
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Originally posted by no1marauderDon't be so hard on yourself. After all, who can argue with my position? It's like my "Madoff with social security thread". In it, I pointed out that social security is nothing more than a pozi scheme and there was no arguable positions presented. Perhaps I am on a role?
[b]I (gasp!) agree with whodey.
04 Jan 09
Originally posted by whodeyWell, I can because you haven't yet seen the BCS title game. Granted, Utah played well against Alabama (although Alabama played without the best Offensive lineman in the country which forced 4 players to play out of position for the game. This is not to make excuses, but you cannot ignore the fact that Utah may not have had as effective a rush if Alabama was playing their normal lineup). Utah had several quality wins this season (BYU, TCU, and one other I believe ...not Michigan, everyone beat them).
Don't be so hard on yourself. After all, who can argue with my position?
Florida beat several higher ranked teams than anyone Utah did, plus they both beat Alabama. No one in the nation played more highly ranked teams than Texas did. Oklahoma also played more higher ranked teams than Utah did, with their only loss coming to Texas.
I do not believe that Utah is the juggernaut you are making them out to be. I do believe that Florida, Oklahoma and Texas are better teams than Alabama is, and I said so prior to the bowl games. I, for one, would like to see the other two bowl games before I annoint a lesser team as National Champion.