02 Oct 08
Originally posted by uzlessMaking stuff up again?
2 of the top 3 highest payrolls in the American league made the playoffs? You don't say!
The top 2 payrolls in the AL: NY Yankees and Detroit Tigers
The next three: Red Sox, White Sox, Angels
And where's Tampa on this list? DEAD LAST.
What does this tell you?
02 Oct 08
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Originally posted by darvlayThe espn website must be using 2007 payrolls.
Making stuff up again?
The top 2 payrolls in the AL: NY Yankees and Detroit Tigers
The next three: Red Sox, White Sox, Angels
And where's Tampa on this list? DEAD LAST.
What does this tell [b]you?[/b]
They are as follows:
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2007
N.Y. Yankees $195,229,04 -MADE PLAYOFFS
Boston 143,526,214 -MADE PLAYOFFS
Chicago White Sox 109,680,167
LosAngeles Angels 109,251,333 -MADE PLAYOFFS
3 OUT OF TOP 4 MADE PLAYOFFS.
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2008
Yankees $209,081,579
Tigers $138,685,197 $
Red Sox $133,440,037 - MADE PLAYOFFS
White Sox $121,152,667 -MADE PLAYOFFS
Angels $119,216,333 $ -MADE PLAYOFFS
3 OUT OF THE TOP 5 MADE THE PLAYOFFS
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AND JUST FOR FUN, LET'S INCLUDE THE NATIONAL LEAGUE SHALL WE??
2008
Yankees $209,081,579
Tigers $138,685,197
Mets $138,293,378 -JUST MISSED AFTER TERRIBLE COLLAPSE
Red Sox $133,440,037 -MADE PLAYOFFS
White Sox $121,152,667 -MADE PLAYOFFS
Angels $119,216,333 -MADE PLAYOFFS
Cubs $118,595,833 - MADE PLAYOFFS
Dodgers $118,536,038 -MADE PLAYOFFS
Hmm, 5 of the top 8 made the playoffs and should have been 6 of 8 if the mets hadn't collapsed again at the end.
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So what does this tell me? If you want to make the playoffs and don't have a top salary your chances of making the playoffs are slim. In fact, this year you had 3 spots out of the remaining 22 teams.
But then again, you bringing up that one example, the outlier of the trend, is more proof of your maple leaf-ness..."maybe we can just win our last 10 games and make the playoffs..maybe we can be like tampa!"
The yankess missed the playoffs for the first time in how many years?? And don't tell me its because of drafting! HA!
EDIT: Oh, and Florida was last, not tampa. Don't make stuff up.
02 Oct 08
Originally posted by golfer1One word: BS.
Did you notice the Yankees didn't make the playoffs, and the Dodgers did? Huh. Two words: Joe Torre
If the Yankees had played in the weakest division in baseball like the Dodgers did, they'd have won it by 10 games. Torre's LA squad was on its way to a sub .500 season when one of the best players in baseball was handed to them for virtually nothing. Even at that, they won a paltry 84 games.
Torre's record as a manager was far below .500 before he got the Yankee job. The Yankees made Torre, not the other way around (having Jeter, Rivera and Petitte start their careers at the same time he became Yankee manager helped Torre a wee bit, too).
02 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderI have a couple of things to say about your comment.
One word: BS.
If the Yankees had played in the weakest division in baseball like the Dodgers did, they'd have won it by 10 games. Torre's LA squad was on its way to a sub .500 season when one of the best players in baseball was handed to them for virtually nothing. Even at that, they won a paltry 84 games.
Torre's record as ...[text shortened]... e start their careers at the same time he became Yankee manager helped Torre a wee bit, too).
First, no question Manny Ramirez is a great talent. However, in Boston he was a malcontent, so much so, they had to accept virtually nothing to get rid of him so someone would eat the remainder of his contract. Once Manny was dealt, he was intent to show the Sox that they screwed up and he was motivated once again. Joe Torre was smart enough to let him do his thing and Manny carried them.
Second, the Dodgers had just as many key injuries as the Yankees did and Torre was able to navigate the mine field. You can say what you want about Torre, but you are full of crap if you think his players in NY didn't love him as a manager. They played their butts off for Torre. So don't pop off about how they made him. That was virtually the same cast Girardi had and they barely finished third.
Also, if you think the Yankees made Torre, then I guess you will tell us next that Casey Stengal was a garbage manager. And so was Billy Martin. And so was Bob Lemon. And Yogi Berra. You are smarter than that so don't come off with total crap statements like that because you have sour grapes over the collapse of the Yankees.
02 Oct 08
MLB playoffs:
DS Red Sox and 3 other teams win
CS Red Sox and 1 other team win
WS Red Sox win
*Note* This is a completely scientific, unbiased prediction.
But in all seriousness, TB takes it all this year. Probably TB over Boston in 6 for the ALCS, then off to face the Dodgers who will be beating the Phillies in the NLCS in 7 games.
02 Oct 08
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Originally posted by shortcircuit1st: Yes, he played Manny Ramirez. That was brilliant. 🙄
I have a couple of things to say about your comment.
First, no question Manny Ramirez is a great talent. However, in Boston he was a malcontent, so much so, they had to accept virtually nothing to get rid of him so someone would eat the remainder of his contract. Once Manny was dealt, he was intent to show the Sox that they screwed up and he was mot otal crap statements like that because you have sour grapes over the collapse of the Yankees.
2nd: Most of Torre's players liked him (Jeter loved him) but their were issues with certain very useful players over the years. Anyway, I'm not in the locker room, so all I can see is what moves he makes on the field. None of your comments contradict what I said, so I assume you have no real answer. If the Yankees had played in the NL West, they would have won it easily and the Dodgers weren't as good as 4 teams in the AL East.
Moreover, Torre never had to deal with a season where Posada was injured for virtually the entire year and where his #1 pitcher missed from early May on. The Yanks have been in a downward spiral for a few years and Torre did nothing to turn that around. His time in NY was played out and he lacked the confidence to take a contract which still made him the highest paid manager but would have paid him even more based on post-season performance. There's no rational reason to believe that Torre in 2008 would have made the Yankees better than the Rays and the Sux.
3: You're a nitwit. The "collapse" of the Yankees still equated to 5 more wins than the "brilliant" Torre could manage with the Dodgers. Billy Martin's record as a manager before he was manager of the Yankees was far better than Torre's. I didn't see the other guys manage (Lemon for a very short time), so I can't say. I can say that I probably watched or listened to about 85-90% of the games Torre managed and he was a below average field manager. He always waited too long to warm up relievers and he managed rigidly according to foolish preconceptions. His insane move to play the infield in with one out and the bases loaded in Game 7 of the World Series cost the championship right then and there; like Tim McCarver I was screaming at the TV before the predictable broken bat single dropped barely onto the outfield where Jeter would have easily caught it had he been at DP depth (with a slow runner at bat to boot). Chuck Knoblauch was in LF all the season for some inexplicable reason why better players sat the bench.
I could go on and on. I never thought Torre was a good manager, so my non-existent "sour grapes" has nothing to do with my observation that the Yankees didn't fall to 3rd (with 89 wins) because of a lack of Torre or that the Dodgers didn't win 84 and the weakest division because of Torre (they won 82 in 2007 when the division was much stronger). And anybody who says differently is kidding themselves.
03 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderOk, now you call me a nitwit. Well genius, do you think the Dodgers are a better collective group of players than the Yankees? If you say yes then you are a liar too. So, you are hanging your hat on 5 additional wins that a clearly better team won as your ruler for measuring the teams? Not a chance bub!!
3: You're a nitwit. The "collapse" of the Yankees still equated to 5 more wins than the "brilliant" Torre could manage with the Dodgers. Billy Martin's record as a manager before he was manager of the Yankees was far better than Torre's. I didn't see the other guys manage (Lemon for a very short time), so I can't say. I can say that I probably watche ...[text shortened]... ivision was much stronger). And anybody who says differently is kidding themselves.
Secondly, have you ever heard Tim McCarver say anything stupid before? I have on many occasions. The fact of the matter is, if I had been managing against a manager that played his infield back at double play depth, I would have won the game because I would push a bunt to the second baseman and the same run scores. It is called "you are damned if you do and damned if you don't". Obviously you didn't play the game much and you probably are not a great enough student of the game.
Billy Martin didn't take the Yankees to the playoffs 14 straight years as Joe Torre Did. Granted, they won more WS titles, but Billy had a ton more talent. He had a better catcher in Thurman Munson. Billy couldn't handle Reggie Jackson and kept him as disgruntled as the Red Sox did with Manny Ramirez. I assure you, Joe Torre will make the HOF when he quits managing. He is a players manager....period. Because you don't seem to understand the concept, you don't understand why Jeter loved him. There are so many egos on the Yankees and Torre managed to keep them all in check. Go figure!!
Sorry to tell you, but you most definitely do have sour grapes over the Yankees. Hell, you lost $50.00 on them to boot. I guess you were pleased about it. You are embarrassed because your prediction and guarantee wasn't correct again.
03 Oct 08
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Originally posted by shortcircuitYeah, Gonzalez was going to be able to execute a squeeze bunt against Rivera!! You really are an idiot; maybe in the pee wee league you played in it was possible for the slowest guy on the team to drop perfectly executed bunts against 12 year old pitchers, but it's a bit different in Game 7 of the World Series against the best closer in baseball history. How's that for being a "student of the game"??
Ok, now you call me a nitwit. Well genius, do you think the Dodgers are a better collective group of players than the Yankees? If you say yes then you are a liar too. So, you are hanging your hat on 5 additional wins that a clearly better team won as your ruler for measuring the teams? Not a chance bub!!
Secondly, have you ever heard Tim McCarver say out it. You are embarrassed because your prediction and guarantee wasn't correct again.
As I said, I'm not hanging around the locker room and neither are you. This is PROFESSIONAL baseball; you don't need a babysitter or handholder. If that's all Torre brought to the table, then he should have been replaced long ago (it would have been fine with me if he had been). His record before the Yankees was lousy, a fact you continue to ignore. And that wasn't a few years but about 15 years of managerial jobs. How come his wonderful rapport with players didn't result in a winning record until he got to the Yankees?
I don't take my wagers personally; I'm not an irrational dipstick like you are. I notice you weren't talking much crap about my predictions when I picked the Giants to beat the Pats or when I picked the Celts to upset both the Pistons and Lakers.
EDIT: Here's Torre record as a manager: http://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/torrejo01.shtml
In 14 years before the Yankees, he went 894-1003.