29 May 09
Originally posted by quackquackhehe,one could also say that one month playing 650 ball doesn't mean they will finish first either.
I didn't think Toronto would finish in first but despite all the injuries their season has been very encouraging. One bad week for a team that started playing .650 ball does not mean they will finish last.
30 May 09
Originally posted by uzlessStop talking apples and oranges... Jackie was a hero
I think you've moved into opinion terroritory instead of facts. Hero and Idol are two different things, but i don't want to get into semantics 15 minutes from beer, er uh, home time.
I did say my jackie robinson thread was tongue in cheek. But not the way you made it out to be. I was jokingly trying to get some attention thrown on the white guys in ba ...[text shortened]... t it. Me saying JR doesn't meet my definition of a hero in no way reflects poorly on JR.
02 Jun 09
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Originally posted by uzlessfor me, one definition of "hero" is being willing to stand up for what you believe in, even (especially) when you risk being persecuted or attacked - where it's easier to remain silent
statements are just opinions until they are backed up with facts
Jackie Robinson could've remained "silent" by playing in the negro leagues like all the black players were "supposed to do". He knew it wasn't just about his own right to play in the majors, but for all non-whites who would come after him. He knew he would face much persecution from every possible angle, including possible risks to his life, and he didn't back down.
This makes him a hero.
Likewise, Branch Rickey is a hero, as are all the players and fans who actively stood up in support of Robinson's right to play in the majors, and willingly took the abuse from the "traditionalists"
02 Jun 09
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Originally posted by MelanerpesDo white people think of Jackie Robinson as a hero? Or do they think of him as a man with great courage who went against the establishment to pursue his goals? What makes Jackie Robinson a hero to white people? If you asked a white person to list their heros, how far down that list would jackie robinson be? Would he even be on it?
for me, one definition of "hero" is being willing to stand up for what you believe in, even (especially) when you risk being persecuted or attacked - where it's easier to remain silent
Jackie Robinson could've remained "silent" by playing in the negro leagues like all the black players were "supposed to do". He knew it wasn't just about his own right t ight to play in the majors, and willingly took the abuse from the "traditionalists"
Ask a black man for a list of heros. Jackie would likely be on that list.
This disparity. Does it still make him a hero? Can you still be a true hero if only a certain segment of the population view you as such?
If so, then we are reducing the term "hero" to one that is dependant on other people's opinion, rather than the actions of the hero himself.
The correct word here is "IDOL"
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by uzlessI used google and the first definition of hero that I could find is "a man distiniguished by exceptional courage and nobility and strength".
Do white people think of Jackie Robinson as a hero? Or do they think of him as a man with great courage who went against the establishment to pursue his goals? What makes Jackie Robinson a hero to white people? If you asked a white person to list their heros, how far down that list would jackie robinson be? Would he even be on it?
Ask a black man for a ...[text shortened]... 's opinion, rather than the actions of the hero himself.
The correct word here is "IDOL"
In a time when blacks were excluded from eating, drinking, traveling and playing on the same field as whites it took a great deal of courage to stand up for his belief (that segregation was wrong). He received death threats; he got the cold shoulder from certain teammates and opponents and even faced criticism from his segments of his own people who thought that he would just make things worse for them. Nevertheless, felt his skin color should not deny him the same opportunities as white and that perhaps he could make baseball and American society a better place. So I would make (the very easy) arguement that Jackie Robinson was a man distinguished by exceptional courage and nobility and strength and thus a hero.
19 Jun 09
Originally posted by quackquackyou left out the example given for that defintion....
I used google and the first definition of hero that I could find is "a man distiniguished by exceptional courage and nobility and strength".
In a time when blacks were excluded from eating, drinking, traveling and playing on the same field as whites it took a great deal of courage to stand up for his belief (that segregation was wrong). He received ...[text shortened]... nson was a man distinguished by exceptional courage and nobility and strength and thus a hero.
"RAF pilots were the heroes of the Battle of Britain"
The pilots gave their lives in order to save their country from the tryanny of Hitler and the Nazi's. That's why they were called heros.
Jackie Robinson played baseball.
08 Oct 09
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Originally posted by darvlayHey, I was right on 5 outta the 8 teams, AND iwas right about there only being 18000 fans in the skydome as the Jays fought Baltimore for last place.
Bump.
Some good predicitions made at the start of this thread. Except for uzless who name-dropped such AMAZING players like Alex Casilla, Mike Pelfrey, JJ Hardy, Oliver Perez... 😵
Still no word on whether jays fans think clark or domi is there favourite player though....