09 Oct 07
Originally posted by boarmanYeah, that was always a great schoolboy tactic.
Then theres the ploy of being awarded a penalty in front of the posts and the kicker points to the posts,but the captain tells the ref i'll take a tap,whilst the opposition are thinking of a penalty kick ,a quick tap is taken and you can usually score from it.this has worked for us in the past.
Get a penalty in the corner - the flyhalf takes the ball and starts walking back, looking at the posts. The opposition start to walk to the goal-posts, flyhalf taps and score in the corner.
09 Oct 07
Originally posted by Crowleyyou could go 5 phases without gaining an advantage ,it probably has to be measured in metres,hard to really put a definitive phase or metre mark on it,.
Absolutely.
Teams that infringe should be penalised, but drop goals are opportunistic, so they shouldn't really count the same. Maybe it should be like basketball - 2 points for drops from inside 40m out and 3 points for drops from further away 😛
Another thing that has been irritating me these past couple of seasons and in the WC has been the advantage ...[text shortened]... of phases) and when they kick the ball, whether a kick for position or a drop, advantage OVER.
Yes it is interpreted so different and is frustrating.
At least we are starting to agree with the reduced points for a drop goal.
09 Oct 07
Originally posted by CrowleyOr the scrummie gently taps the ball, picks it up, puts it under his arm and walks forward while waving the opposition back. You could sometimes get ten yeards that way.
Yeah, that was always a great schoolboy tactic.
Get a penalty in the corner - the flyhalf takes the ball and starts walking back, looking at the posts. The opposition start to walk to the goal-posts, flyhalf taps and score in the corner.
09 Oct 07
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Originally posted by boarmanBut how many meters is really an advantage?
you could go 5 phases without gaining an advantage ,it probably has to be measured in metres,hard to really put a definitive phase or metre mark on it,.
Yes it is interpreted so different and is frustrating.
Say you're camped on your own goal line, the opposition knocks on and you make 10 meters before they turn it over? Was that advantage? Even 20 meters is probably not enough...
What I would like to see is the team holding the ball be in a position to rule their own advantage - not the ref. The ref would call out the phases and the team would know where they stand.
Say a team is struggling in the scrums - they won't want the scrum in their own half. So, they can run the ball until the 5th phase, with the ref calling out the phases and if they haven't made the ground they wanted to, they can decide to kick the ball, because they don't want the scrum.
That's why I want phases - the team with the advantage should have control over their own fate, not the ref.
Thinking about it, the best solution would probably be a mixture:
5 phases and 20 meters?
The thing I (and most other spectators) would like to see is teams with advantage running the ball, instead of always going for the drop or a kick down field - this is why I say when you kick on advantage, advantage should be over.
Maybe even something different, like:
You have advantage in your own half for 5 phases. If you haven't moved into the opposition half, blow up the original offense.
Advantage in the opposition half is 5 phases and 20 meters. If you haven't progressed 20 meters in 5 phases, blow up. If progressed 20m, advantage over.
As always, kicking nullifies advantage.
Another thing I would like to see is, after repeated offenses happen with a team that has an advantage in the opposition 22, penalty tries need to be awarded.
Something like: 3 penalisable offenses in 22 = penalty try.
09 Oct 07
Originally posted by CrowleyRidiculous you'll end up with a 2 hour game. Just train the refs better.
But how many meters is really an advantage?
Say you're camped on your own goal line, the opposition knocks on and you make 10 meters before they turn it over? Was that advantage? Even 20 meters is probably not enough...
What I would like to see is the team holding the ball be in a position to rule their own advantage - not the ref. The ref would call ou ...[text shortened]... ty tries need to be awarded.
Something like: 3 penalisable offenses in 22 = penalty try.
Finally out comes the big whinge from the NZRFU : ( Hobbs should go with Henry and should have shut his big mouth on this one.
story from rugbyheaven.com.au this morning..
"Wellington: New Zealand Rugby Union chairman Jock Hobbs has openly condemned the refereeing performance of Englishman Wayne Barnes, saying he committed errors that cost the All Blacks 17 points in their 20-18 quarter-final loss to France. "Some of the decisions the referee made had an enormous bearing on the outcome," Hobbs said. "In our view, some of the decisions were very, very questionable."
Barnes, a 28-year-old former barrister who only controlled his first Test match in February, awarded nine penalties to France and two to New Zealand. The IRB's referees manager admitted the pass leading to France's matchwinning try was forward. Barnes has been left off the list of officials to control the semi-finals, final and third-place play-off."
Yes the ABs didn't finish as they started
Yes the ref was useless
Oh dear, get over it Jock Hobbs ... resign, take Henry with you and let's move on.
12 Oct 07
Originally posted by boarmanI wonder if Crowley will change his choon after Hernandez drops the Argies to the final? 😉
I notice that a lot of comments on this issue are from the supporters of teams that win by penalties or drop goals.
Hope he's fit. What are the odds on Argentina winning outright?
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13 Oct 07
Originally posted by RagnorakWhat are the odds of Argentina winning? Not good but I wouldn't rule it out. I reckon their game plan is going to include a lot of drop goals and trust SA have a plan against that. Of course, the best plan is to play in their own half.
I wonder if Crowley will change his choon after Hernandez drops the Argies to the final? 😉
Hope he's fit. What are the odds on Argentina winning outright?
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I seriously can't contemplate SA losing. Argentina have had a dream cup, but they won one good game against a sub-par France, the rest of their pool games were easy and then they struggled against Scotland. I just don't think they have the all-round game to go further.
What do you think about France/England?
13 Oct 07
Todays predictions:
Eng 21-Fra 15
SA 18 Arg 17
I would love the Argies to win as it would be great for World rugby.
I am going with my heart a bit - last week against the Aussies I knew there was a weakness up front after the Aus Fiji game. England have to start hard and fast and hope the French crowd start to turn. It will probably be down to either a pen or drop goal in the last 5 mins.
13 Oct 07
Originally posted by Mat KelleyJohnny wont miss as many shots this week.
Todays predictions:
Eng 21-Fra 15
SA 18 Arg 17
I would love the Argies to win as it would be great for World rugby.
I am going with my heart a bit - last week against the Aussies I knew there was a weakness up front after the Aus Fiji game. England have to start hard and fast and hope the French crowd start to turn. It will probably be down to either a pen or drop goal in the last 5 mins.
Eng 24...Fra 17
SA 31....Arg 22
13 Oct 07
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Originally posted by buffalobillFrance/England is very hard to call considering I thought England were useless.
What are the odds of Argentina winning? Not good but I wouldn't rule it out. I reckon their game plan is going to include a lot of drop goals and trust SA have a plan against that. Of course, the best plan is to play in their own half.
I seriously can't contemplate SA losing. Argentina have had a dream cup, but they won one good game against a sub-pa think they have the all-round game to go further.
What do you think about France/England?
I think England v Argentina could be a classic final. At the mo, I think anything is possible.
Whoever plays Argentina has to adopt the correct strategy. The teams that have played them so far have played into their hands.
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England 18 France 21
Argentina 24 SA 21
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